Hey, ace, lots of points of view on this, just thought I'd get back to everyone, my 
initial faded memory of 6000fps _was_ wrong, its about 6000 frames in 5 secs, sorry 
<BLUSH> oops, only a factor of 5 out eh!

However I was pretty much lead to believe from reading all sorts of stuff about it 
when first trying to get decent frame rates under Linux that the nv drivers couldnt do 
hardware acceleration. Now noone to my knowledge has said they cant do software 3d 
acceleration, or else they wouldnt run any opengl at all, but the real boost in 3d 
performance is from hardware acceleration. And this would be in line with the 
differing figures of the nv compared to the nvidia driver. 

Its the same deal under m$, alot of older opengl enabled games (Grand Prix Legends 
prings to mind) allow you to choose software acceleration, ie using the cpu rather 
than the gpu) if you dont have 3d accelerating hardware. The problem is the framerate 
is diabolical, and thats with all the eye candy switched off on a 4 year old game, 
with a 2 year old cpu.

Hope this helps.

Si

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tibbetts, Ric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 11:02:43 -0800
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! HEAVENS!!!

> Actually, there is no acceleration for an nVidia card under the default "nv"
> driver. Check the documentation. You need to install the "nvidia" drivers to
> get that.
> 
> Ric
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricardo Castanho de Oliveira Freitas
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2002 12:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos! HEAVENS!!!
> 
> 
> On Qua 11 Dez 2002 07:17, Simon Naish wrote:
> 
> Is that to taken seriously?
> 
> I got 715.600fps on my gf2 with nvidia drivers!
> 
> Just to be sure..... that's 3758 frames in 5 seconds!
> 
> Ricardo
> 
> > Just my 2 cents worth but as far as I can tell there is no hardware
> > acceleration available from the nv driver. 340 fps is seriously poor for
> > the small window of gears, and bout right for no hardware accelertion, try
> > 6000 (yup 6000) fps with hardware acceleration and a reasonable to good
> > modern graphics card. I cant see the open source drivers getting close :o(
> > for a very very very long time.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ronald J. Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:14:41 -0500
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] Nvidia driver chaos!
> >
> > > On Tuesday 10 December 2002 11:06 am, you wrote:
> > > >     XFree's nv driver does have 3d/accel, XFree86-4.2.1.
> > > > My GeF2 gets 35 fps with glxgears in fullscreen, 1024x768x16. 340 fps
> > > > in the smaller default window using the nv driver.  Either try the
> > > > older 2960 nvidia src.rpms, or if limited 3d/accel is all you need,
> > > > avoid the nvidia binary crap altogether.
> > >
> > > Tom, does this mean that sometime (with ongoing development?) in the
> > > future we might actually see the fully open sourced drivers being
> > > comparable to performance to the closed ones? It would be nice to be
> able
> > > to drop the proprietary drivers...
> > >
> > > Got my fingers crossed! :-)
> > >
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