On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:45, Joeb wrote:I don't have broadband at home, but I do at work. Therefore, installing 9.2 at home but not having the kernel sources is a real problem (since it also effectively kills off my modem, since I can't compile it's drivers and my NVidia card, too). Yes, I can go to work, download the sources, burn them to CD and then bring them home and the problem is resolved (but not solved). But, how many people without broadband will buy CDs from one of the web-sites that sell them and will be stuck because they can't effectively create a source for URPMI with their dial up. Or what about the poor people in Europe who have monthly download/upload minutes who have used up most of the month's quota just getting the ISOs only to find out they need to download more, but now have to wait till next month? The kernel sources should have been included!
James Sparenberg wrote:
On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers!
Greg Meyer wrote:My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough
On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote:I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs.
I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed.Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree?
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Just my 2 cents.
Joeb
for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi.
James
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Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test?
Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)?
Joeb
A lot gets duplicated. It does that so you don't have to switch the
disks more than 1 time. As for what does doesn't get included. As far
as I'm concerned about 1 disk worth is useless. But a lot wouldn't
agree. (Emacs in all of it's forms could be dropped and I'd wouldn't
miss it, but others would have a hissy fit.) The one major concession
was that disk 1 is 650mb. Why. So that if your boxes cd drive can't
read 700mb disks (and there are a lot of them.) You can at least get a
box up. One note. Anyone downloading the iso's or using bittorrent
either has broadband, or ... is a real glutton for pain.
James
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As for Emacs, I agree, but, just about anybody who is a fan of Emacs is going to want/need the kernel sources anyway!
Joeb
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