Yah it's impressive considering the dollar value of each, but still an 800# purpose built car against, ok a very heavily modified street vehicle. CR
Gil Osenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CR, Apples and oranges are both round ! A tube framed GT 1 w/ Brembo hardware all around , a 3k gearbox, 25k engine, rear tires half as wide as an F5, as many dials and readouts as an F117 has to be a purpose built race car ! A spec Miata is a different story - a grocery getter that's raced on the weekends ! Now that's a peach ! Gil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Reinhardt" To: Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [F500] RE: Beyond powerplants/trannys > Gil, you're talking purpose built compared to production street car, > apples and oranges.... > > CR > > Gil Osenburg wrote: > When regular F5 participants at the regional MARRS races held at Summit > Point we used to compare our qualification times with the big bore guys in > the GT 1/2/3 classes and marvel that - most of the time - we'd either be > on > their front or second row ! For the cost of 3 or 4 sets of tires for these > big bore cars you could buy a used 500 and go almost as fast as they could > ! > > Reminds me of that old saying - " A Rolls Royce or a Pinto will both get > you there - it depends on how good you want to look getting there " ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [F500] RE: Beyond powerplants/trannys > > >> >> In a message dated 8/5/2006 11:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> <<> look >> carefully at more than that.>>> >> >> >> Agreed - there are several issues that drive our poor general perception. >> However, it is interesting to note that each gear ratio set for a Hewland >> is >> $150+. It's pretty easy to talk about the comparatively low price of our >> springs, weights, and ramps, as well as the price of a belt. >> >> <<> lack >> of >> coils springs and lack of true shocks just shake their heads and walk >> away.>>> >> >> I have a simple answer to that discussion: >> >> Shocks for a national-level formula car are ~$5K /set (Penske 8760, et >> al). >> Springs are $150/set, and you'll need several different rates at each end >> for tuning. It takes days of track time (read $$$) to select your >> springs and >> learn to set your shocks; the shocks must also be revalved on a regular >> basis. Rear end? A ring & pinion set for a Hewland is close to $2K; and >> the >> whole thing? Even if you wanted to retain the chain drive and go to the >> DSR-style diff, you're adding $2K or so, right? You would also be adding >> the >> additional complexity of the independent rear suspension. >> >> Rubber pucks are less than $10 each, and a complete new axle is not much >> more than the cost of a single prepped CV joint. Granted, it still takes >> test >> time to figure out your suspension settings, but the variable count is >> significantly decreased with the F500 suspension. >> >> <<>> >> >> Hmmmm....... Those who think this either don't know much about the >> effective wheel rates used in modern open-wheel cars, or they are >> comparing to >> production-based options (Miata, et al). Again, it's an easy conversation >> to have. >> >> >> <<> a >> bit to them if you are quick with rubber pucks >> >> It is a perception thing too.>>> >> >> >> OK, so here's the magic question: >> >> F500 is FAR less expensive than FF for the same relative performance. We >> all tend to feel that this is a major part of what makes F500 great. >> However, >> is it possible that many of the potential entrants feel that this is a >> detractor - that somehow it can't be a 'real' open-wheel car if it didn't >> cost as >> much as a new BMW? 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