Very well put, Mike. That's kind of why I've recently been attracted to
Clojure. I don't have a very large investment of mental capital in Java or
.NET, but those underpinnings certainly help build and expand the Clojure
universe. After many years of having my brain warped by Forth (in a good
way, I think), Factor just feels more "right" to me. But I admit I'm
envious of Clojure's greater buzz and mind share. There are several
excellent Clojure books - I wish Factor had at least one.
Also, and this may sound really petty, but I wish Factor had been named
differently - perhaps Faktor. I'm sure everyone here has experienced the
frustration of trying to google "Factor" to find more information! Forth
has the same problem. By naming it "Clojure" instead of "Closure", Rich
Hickey saved everyone a lot of aggravation.
BTW, I've enjoyed following your efforts to understand the deep internals
of Factor. Most of it is way over my head, but your questions and the
thoughtful responses by Joe, John, Doug and Alex (hopefully I didn't leave
anyone out) are helping to reinforce the mental scaffolding I'm building in
my attempts to fully grok Factor.
--John
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 7:45 AM, Michael Clagett <mclag...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> John --
>
> Couldn't resist chiming in here. Of course Factor is portable, open
> source, and reliable. These are three of its strongest attributes. But
> the DLL version of it nothwithstanding, it is such an attractive language
> from a language standpoint that it leads one to want to have it where one
> is already working -- not just as an alternative. Thus the genesis of my
> (admittedly expansive) vision of integrating it into the environment I am
> building. Chances are I'll die before that ever comes to anything. But a
> more general benefit to the wider community would be eventually to have
> Factor integrated into some of the development environments that folks are
> already using on a day-in, day-out. That probably means a reasonably
> smooth integration with non-Factor runtimes like the JVM or the CLR and the
> code and libraries that sit on top of them, as well as programming
> environments like Eclipse and VisualStudio.
>
> Now I understand how wild-eyed and "future" this is. The language after
> all is a labor of love from a dedicated community that just happens to
> have a lot of good taste, but finite resources. And it hasn't even reached
> 1.0 maturity yet, so there's much to be done before such a wider vision
> materializes. So please do not misunderstand; this is not in any way a
> complaint or criticism -- nor even a request, because, you know, that's
> just not realistic. It is, however, a hope. That some day this fabulous
> language can be brought into mainstream environments where it's power can
> be put to really widespread use. Granted, I'm an enterprise development
> manager by trade during the day, so maybe this is just my bias. But
> wishing and hoping costs nothing.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
> ------------------------------
> From: mrj...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 21:04:00 -0700
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Is there a Factor.js ?
>
>
> There is a "Factor Playground" implemented in Javascript:
>
> http://personal.inet.fi/koti/egaga/jsfactor/playground.html
>
> It does not work with Factor's extensive library, however.
>
> Its not worth getting into a philosophical discussion about Javascript,
> but I would note that Factor is portable (linux, mac, windows), open source
> (bsd license), and reliable (extensive library and test suites).
>
> Best,
> John.
>
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM, H.C. Chen <hcchen5...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I tried to find "factor.js" for a while, nothing found so far.
>
> What in my mind is the Processing programming language established on
> JavaScript.
> Include "Processing.js" into your .html turns it into processing aware.
>
> < script src="processing-1.3.6.js" >< /script >
>
> Refer to http://processingjs.org/
>
> We have Forth.js too. It run under Windows DOS box JScript interpreter.
> Like this:
>
> cscript.exe jeforth.js
>
> OK
>
> To work in a shell is very useful.
>
> The reason I like anything.JS is the portability, open source, and
> reliable.
>
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