Hi Michael,
I'm enjoying these conversations and your "investigations" :)
Regarding Javascript, I can see the benefit of a Factor-like language. It
might be that using Clojure and Clojurescript as an analogy would be a good
one. Obviously some parts may be harder to get compatible when
bootstrapping from various JS engines, similar to trying to bootstrap from
JVM or CLR. Language interoperability is a nice concept when you can get
it working well.
Can't wait to here more about your ideas as they develop...
Best,
John.
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Michael Clagett <mclag...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> Yes. In fact that is how I'm intending to target the CLR and JVM in my
> own environment -- whether I successfully implement the ability to use
> Factor (the language) inside my platform or not. I was envisioning
> something like a combination of direct byte code generation (either MSIL or
> JVM byte code) together with whatever programmatic facilities are necessary
> for fixing up metadata tokens, invoking the respective jit compilers and
> the like. This could just as easily be done from the existing Factor
> environment as any custom environment I manage to construct and in a
> perfect world Factor code created in either environment would compile and
> execute in the other just fine.
>
> You Factor guru types might be scratching your heads and wondering why on
> earth I would want to reproduce the factor booting mechanism in my own
> environment and build it on top of my own foundations instead of just using
> what Slava has already put so much work into. The answer is that while I'm
> not sure that this will be necessary (i might be able to get away with the
> DLL-ized version of Factor itself; I'm in major research mode about it as
> we speak), I suspect I may need to roll my own in order to integrate at as
> deep a level as I need with other language facilities I already have in
> place.
>
> That's as much as I'm going to say about it, because I don't want to
> commandeer the FactorCode.org airwaves to talk about my stuff. But
> whatever I end up doing, I do expect to give back to the community in the
> way of documentation of what I learn along the way.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 1:42 PM, "Joe Groff" <arc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Michael Clagett <mclag...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> That, I would guess, is a result of its being implemented in C#. But
> what
> >> you lose at that point is the ability for the language to be used
> outside of
> >> the CLR and the extreme portability of something like Factor. What I'm
> >> envisioning is something closer to Microsoft's C++, which now has
> built-in
> >> support for generating MSIL, while still remaining completely viable on
> a
> >> native code platform. Such a capability for Factor (with the ability to
> >> generate JVM byte code as well) would allow Factor to act as a DSL layer
> >> above real-world code bases that organizations are always going to be
> using
> >> for a significant portion of their development.
> >
> > The JVM and CLR both have native code interfaces a Factor bridge could
> > take advantage of. I think that would be a more realistic avenue
> > toward interfacing with those platforms than rearchitecting Factor to
> > target the JVM or CLR directly.
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> >
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