Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha

[rudra_joe]

To think that one is only what they are born into is fatalistic and inhuman. To think that Jesus the Jew shaped  his philosophy and love for all of humankind merely on the tenets of his fathers was like saying Einstein merely followed up on Newton.  A human is what they profess that they are. Which is why I believe in this Elijah guy thats kind of crazy and walking around the world now, mostly in Israel. He claims it. Yes, he pegged it. Just like how the House of Windsor's Crest has the seven dragons and so on.  They pegged another fundie prophecy, the Vatacan pegged another fundie prophecie, all these from Revs. When you peg yourself in the spot reserved for someone you take it and noone can really dislodge you, unless you are totally against tradition, and then, they burn you or crucify you, or just simply torture you until your skin flips. Been there, done that. As a witch I felt closer to Jesus than most of his professed priests, and when I burned I thought of him on the cross with pity, for they knew not what they did those ignorant fucks. Who kill what they don't understand.   This is where tantra teaches one to hold to the dark and the light, hold to enlightenment, and yet remain to serve and grow, because tantra teaches us that the dark is merely a component of our basic nature, like the NI in the agnim, very necessary for self reflection, nay the anima and unconscious is the source of potential for growth. I've been into this lateley, this darkness theme, because I learned that we October Libras are quite familiar with the occult and we like twisted 13s and walking under ladders and having Crowley's birthday and pigeons flying left and black cats and all that jazz. But on the bright side we can reconcile that with the sattva of our awareness during samadhi. In fact to see the rainbows over Bourbon Street  and the light of spirits being poured and raised, yeah, in this deep tamas of the American South deep in the voodoo one sees the heart of God pulsating. I swear before you all that if the Apocalypse comes then they'll throw down in New Orleans like nowhere else on Earth. Oh yeah, the marching bands will play and it would get rowdy in a good way. I'm trying best as I can to relay that there's no tradition for deep thought or cognizance because it is one with the base.   With my collection of rudraksha alone I know Siva is alive and well here.  I once gave five strands of rr beads to a cokehead friend of mine. His addictive personality made him crave to wear the beads too. I think he transferred some craving to the beads and hence to Shiva. This is tantra in the best meaning because tantra utilizes desire to make us transcend duality. He would send his girlfriend to get them if he forgot them.  ----- Original Message ----- From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha I know, I thought of it after I posted it. I just meant one of those famous guys that were circumcized and followed the tradition of Abraham. I'm sorry you were not be able to exptrapolate the ANALOGY, but chose to use it as an opportunity to put me down. To call Buddha non-Vedic is like saying Jesus was not a Jew, living in Jewish culture, and espousing Jewish traditions. Buddha would have had even less influences outside of a vedic culture practicing vedic (or hindu like ) traditions. By the way, JUDAISM is not my history. Vedic history is directly connected to my Keltic roots. The first Christian in Scotland was a Keltic Druid, said to have Siddhi powers [the 'powers of the Sidh'] in Gaelic (kicked out of Irelnad by the St. Patrick Christian fanatics). The Kelts are known to have come from Afghanisthan Pakisthan region around the same time the Vedic are said to have come from there to India . They carried many Vedic like traditions with them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "rudra_joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moses was an Egyptian slave, and Judiasm didn't exist yet.  Jeezus. If you don't know your own history then how can you comment on India's? >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: off_world_beings >   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >   Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 9:19 AM >   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha > > > >   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >   > >   > On Mar 12, 2005, at 8:45 AM, off_world_beings wrote: >   > >   > > and that ayurved and sthapatyaved >   > > and the six systems of Indian philosphy are a part of what is >   > > generally termed  a Vedic tradition..... >   > >   > First off, I hope you realize that there are several groupings of >   the >   > Six Darshanas. >   > >   > You are aware that the original word for "veda" was "agama"? > > > > >   Lol, then please define what you consider 'Vedic' . Be precise >   please. I guess the word 'agni' is not Vedic by your extremist view. >   Thats like saying Moses was not a Jew. Of course he wasn't. There >   were all sorts of other influences on him. but no-one would say he >   was not Jewish. > > >   > >   > > Saying that early Buddhism was not Vedic, is like saying that >   > > Protestantism is not Christianity. >   > >   > I'd tend to agree with the Manimekhalai (a Dravidian work) which >   (if >   > you feel a need to attribute a prior movement to the Dharma) >   states >   > that Buddhism is derived from Jainism. It also gives, from the >   > pre-Vedic perspective, where these six darshanas come from. ALL of >   the >   > six prophets of these darshanas existed *before the writing of >   > Sanskrit.* All of them. > > > > > >   To subscribe, send a message to: >   [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >   Or go to: >   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ >   and click 'Join This Group!' > > >         Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >               ADVERTISEMENT >              >        >        > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------- >   Yahoo! 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