Well of course not! Ours is more of a little tinkle. -Peter --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > of course your cosmic pissing contest with mr. > parson's doesn't count. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- peterklutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > Reading the postings on this site on FFL makes > me > > > wonder if not the > > > incessant talking and over-intellectualization > is > > > actually an obstacle > > > to realization. > > > > > > Probably better of spending the time > meditating.. > > > > Couldn't agree more with you Peter, especially > when it > > becomes a cosmic pissing contest! > > -Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Very nicely conveyed! > > > > > > > > <applause> > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Peter Sutphen > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes, of course there is a "reality of > the > > > subject > > > > > and object" within the phenomenological > context > > > of > > > > > waking state prior to liberation. Within the > > > > > phenomenological context of liberation, they > > > don't > > > > > exist. What I'm critiquing is the possible > > > > > misapprehension of a phenomenological > > > description of > > > > > liberation as a method or means to achieve > such > > > > > liberation. Within waking state there is > > > dualism. This > > > > > is the phenomenological reality. Teachings > > > function > > > > > within the context of this dualism to > transcend > > > the > > > > > dualism. Dualistic teaching are useful > fictions > > > that > > > > > stop serving a purpose once liberation is > > > realized. Of > > > > > course there is no personal enlightenment. > But > > > when > > > > > there is a subject or personal self, as > there is > > > in > > > > > waking state prior to liberation, > enlightenment > > > is > > > > > understood in terms of the value such a > > > condition will > > > > > have for "me." It is impossible to > understand it > > > any > > > > > other way. So one engages in a sadhana to > bring > > > about > > > > > liberation. It's all "me, me, me." If the > > > sadhana is > > > > > effective it finally transcends itself and > then > > > the > > > > > fiction of "me" is rather obvious. But the > > > starting > > > > > point for liberation is ignorance. And in > this > > > > > ignorance is an individual me that strives > to > > > become > > > > > liberated. It is only after liberation that > the > > > > > fiction of "me" and any "effort of me" is > > > clearly seen > > > > > as absurdly false. > > > > > That being said, I believe that there > are > > > > > thousands of people within the TM community > that > > > have > > > > > been "techniqueing" for 20 to 40 years that > are > > > not > > > > > liberated. No more meditation or any > technique > > > or > > > > > yagya or proper vastu will bring about > > > liberation. > > > > > They are "stuck" in sattva. For these people > a > > > final > > > > > discrimination between Self and not-Self is > > > needed and > > > > > the non-dual teachings of Mr. Parsons can be > > > > > profoundly useful for such people. It is for > the > > > ones > > > > > just starting a sadhana that non-dual > teachings > > > can > > > > > create quite a bit of cofusion. For them the > > > useful > > > > > fiction of the dualistic teaching, I > believe, > > > will be > > > > > more effective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Personals - Better first dates. More second dates. http://personals.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
