Setting aside the texts for a moment, what are 
peoples' experiences with the TM-Siddhi 
program? It seems whacky to debate a text, 
however learned, when we have such a large 
cohort of people who've practiced the techniques 
for decades. I'm thinking we could evaluate them 
for ourselves, based on our own knowledge.

For myself, I can't confess to any powers from 
the siddhis, other than the hopping stuff, but 
they do seem to do just what I was told they'd 
do: solidify the presence of silent consciousness.

What are other people getting?

 - Patrick Gillam

> On Apr 20, 2005, at 8:18 AM, wayback71 wrote:
> 
> > What do the Shankaracharyas say?  Who is
> > Vidyaranya?
> 
> Vaj wrote:
>
> Vidyaranya was one of the most eminent Shankaracharyas. He was the 12th 
> jagadguru of the Sringiri seat. His text on the attainment of Cosmic 
> Consciousness is still the standard among yogis today. That's why is it 
> so significant on what he says of the siddhis and samyama--if you are 
> interested in enlightenment that is.
> 
> > Is it possible that the siddhis are really about making the relative, 
> > subjective aspect of the
> > individual a better, kinder and more skilled human being  - so that 
> > when they do reach
> > CC, they aren't a nasty, unpleasant, unkind Enlightened person?
> 
> Vaj wrote:
>
> Vidyaranya would disagree. You would more likely become either 
> egocentric or a collector of subtle experiences. These experiences 
> would come and go and not lead to a permanent state of higher 
> consciousness.





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