It would be silly of me not to have noticed the
somewhat...uh...angry reactions that come up on
this board from time to time when I talk about
the weird things (siddhis) I and others exper-
ienced around Rama (Frederick Lenz). Here is a
speculation as to where they might be coming
from.

I think a lot of it has to do with Rama's "rep."
He was vilified in the press as a cult leader,
as someone who slept with his female students,
and many other things. I can say without reser-
vation that many of these things were true, and
could add a great number of other stories from
my own experience that indicate that the dude
was occasionally a real slimeball, with a drug
dependency towards the end of his life and an
ego on him the size of Texas.

HOWEVER, at other times he could meditate so
powerfully that if you were in the same room 
with him, it was almost *impossible* to have a
thought; clear, thoughtless samadhi was your
*only* option. ALSO, he was able to perform 
siddhis like levitating, disappearing, flying
through the air, opening dimensions to other
planes of reality, etc. so powerfully that up
to hundreds of people at a time saw and exper-
ienced them. He was able to do this not only
with students who wanted to believe in these
things, but in public talks where half the
audience were skeptics. The skeptics saw these
things, too.

So go figure, eh?

I honestly think that what offends a lot of
people about the Rama guy and stories of the
siddhis that people saw him perform is that
they have this idea in their heads that either
1) the ability to perform siddhis is linked to
enlightenment, or 2) the those who can perform
siddhis are 'supposed to be' "more evolved" or
"beyond" stuff like sleeping with their students,
or 3) both.

What bothers them is that there is a strong like-
lihood that Rama was a bit of a charlatan and a
bit of a rogue and *none* of the things that they
visualize when they think of an enlightened teacher,
AND YET HE COULD DO THIS STUFF ANYWAY.

Welcome to the conundrum. That, as far as I can
tell, is the truth about the dude. I was around
him for many years, and there is no question in 
my mind that he was at times a charlatan, at times
a slimeball, and at other times able to manifest
some of the coolest siddhis in the spiritual canon.
Go figure.

What does this "mean?" Well, to me it means that
all the stuff about siddhis being of necessity
linked to enlightenment are an enormous pile of
steaming crap. That's simply not true. Siddhis are
siddhis and enlightenment is enlightenment, and
there is no one-to-one link between them. Histor-
ically, some teachers regarded as enlightened
manifested siddhis, and others did not. Equally
historically, many of those who can manifest the
siddhis are open and honest about the fact that
they are *not* enlightened; they just know how
to do these siddhis. I've had some limited exper-
ience with manifesting minor siddhis myself, and
I'm *certainly* not enlightened on any kind of
permanent basis.

The other thing that drives some people up the
wall when I talk about the Rama dude is that he
offends them morally. They have major problems 
with what he represents, and thus they have major
problems with believing that he could *also* do
something like manifest real siddhis. They'd 
prefer to believe in something far more unlikely,
that he had the ability to somehow hypnotize 
hundreds of people at once, some of them members
of the press. 

What I'm trying to suggest is that there seems to
have been NO PROBLEM with the guy being a slime-
ball AND being able to manifest siddhis. It's NOT
as simplistic as the idealistic books about these
things say it is. It's not an EITHER/OR rela-
tionship; its a BOTH/AND relationship. As far 
as I can tell, the guy could coerce some sweet 
young female student into sleeping with him one 
minute and the next minute levitate like gang-
busters. For all I know, he could have been able 
to boink the young student WHILE levitating, 
although I never saw or heard evidence of this.  :-)

The bottom line is that from my perspective, 
siddhis aren't what you idealize them as. They are
just *abilities*, abilities that *anyone* can 
master, whatever their state of consciousness.
They have *nothing to do* with state of conscious-
ness, or with the morality or immorality of the
person who is able to perform them.

I understand that this fucks with many people's
idealized notions of what the siddhis are and 
what they "mean" about the person performing them,
but I'm trying to be honest with you here. I don't
think that your idealized notions are correct,
based on my experience. 

Being able to perform siddhis doesn't make a 
person good, and being bad doesn't prevent a 
person from being able to do them. Used as some
kind of "measure" of a person's enlightenment,
the siddhis are just as big a failure as any
other "measurement" you might imagine.



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