--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I think we can all safely just toss the Collected Papers now,
> don't > ya
> > > think?  No more need to pretend...
> > > 
> > > The religion of Guru Devism is born.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It's only 11 days since Maharishi gave up control of and 
management 
> > of the TMO and the clowns -- I mean the Rajas -- that have taken 
over 
> > have, as Curtis has indicated, already gone the extra mile to 
> > solidify the "religious" nature of the Movement.
> > 
> > This supports the theory that I have presented on this forum from 
> > time to time: that Maharishi abandoned the "TM is not a religion 
or 
> > philosophy" tenet of the TM Program because he was badgered to do 
so 
> > by the sycophants that have surrounded him for the past 35 years. 
And 
> > now those very sychophants have become the gate-keepers. 
> > 
> > They wore the poor man down by continually demanding that he give 
> > them the "real" knowledge despite his continual admonitions that 
the 
> > TM technique was the full and complete program. Well, Maharishi 
may 
> > be enlightened but he is only human.  And at some point he threw 
his 
> > hands up and said: "Okay, if you want 'the real knowledge' I 
guess 
> > that's what I have to GIVE you." So now we've got THIS 
catastrophy on 
> > our hands: Rajas, tinfoil hats, Vedic peanut butter, etc.
> > 
> > Well, the inmates have got the reigns of the ship now and, 
presto!, 
> > we're prostrating once a day for the next month.
> > 
> > Abraham?  Can you please bring Isaac over to the alter?  Yeah, 
and 
> > bring some of those briquettes, too, while you're at it...
> > 
> 
> Man,  I'm in a mood to laugh, laugh, laugh.  Thank you.  I haven't 
had
> such belly laughs in years.
> 
> But let me try to understand your arguments.  You're saying that
> Maharishi did not have a hidden agenda of using the West to awaken 
the
> East, of spreading Maharishi brand Hinduism throughout the world?




Yes, he had an agenda but, no, it wasn't hidden.  He told us quite 
explicitly what he was doing by packaging TM as a non-denominational, 
non-belief, non-religious program.

And, no, I truly believe it wasn't a case of him thinking: TM is part 
of the Hindu religion and, therefore, I have to disguise it in order 
for the suckers of the West to buy into it.  To him, TM was very much 
a universal thing that was separate and apart from his own personal 
Hinduism and could, on its own, stand apart from the trappings of 
religion.  And it was with that very worldview that he packaged TM 
and, successfully, brought it into the world.

And that's how things were progressing until about 1977-9 when things 
started falling apart, largely from his own doing.  And I refer to an 
abandonment of the above described universal non-religious approach.




 
> This of course runs counter to the way it was explained to us wide
> eyed  children:  that Maharishi was giving us what we needed at the
> time and or that our raising the world's consciousness allowed the
> Maha Rishi to cognize more and more of the Vedic truth, or as I 
always
> believed, to pull all of this shit out of his ass.




I don't know who was explaining all this to you or whether it was 
done in some official capacity.  But I can tell you what I was taught 
as both a meditator who learned TM from the 7-step program and as a 
teacher in Teacher Training and that was that the TM Program was (1) 
not a religion; (2) not a philosophy or belief; and (3) the 
organisation taking on the responsibility of disseminating this 
knowledge would itself embody those very principles (because to do 
otherwise would be to stop being universal and therefore alienate 
some potential practitioners of TM).





>  Dr. BM doesn't
> just have those funny initials for nothing.  Of course we've read
> which group of great seers and Shankaracharias granted him the title
> he scribbled on that stationary in London.  Let me speak a bit more
> sweetly and say that he pulled that one out of the air as well.
> 
> I don't quite get your problem with this becoming a religion.



As religions go, I would probably be the first in line to sign up.

But once it is a religion, you lose the potential to get 99% of the 
people on the planet to sign up.  That's not being universal.

Hey, I'd love to have a guru and sit cross-legged on the Ganges at 
the feet of a master and get darshan and all that.  Must be a 
wonderful path!

But that's not the path I chose for myself; I actually bought into 
the whole TM 20 minutes twice a day and then go into activity and, 
according to one's own religion and values and traditions and common 
sense, perform action.  I truly, honestly believe that to be THE 
highest and fastest and most effective path to enlightenment.  And 
for the vast, vast majority of Westerners (i.e., 99.9% of Westerners 
in the TMO) performing action that entails a guru-disciple 
relationship, following the dictates of Ayur-Veda and all the other 
trappings of the current TMO is NOT the instructions of the TM 
Program and,therefore, those 99.9% of the people in the Movement are 
OFF THE PROGRAM AND DO NOT -- I REPEAT DO NOT -- PRACTISE THE TM 
PROGRAM.

As I am fond of repeating on this forum, those individuals in the 
Movement has sold their souls for a few shekels of darshan.  These 
very people -- in particular, the Rajas -- who claim to follow 
Maharishi by their very actions are spitting on the very guru they 
purport to be devotees of.  They are rakshasas.  They are sycophants 
who sucked the very blood out of the Movement and consciously traded 
in the World Plan for the very selfish desire to be around an 
enlightened being.  And in doing so they wore the poor bastard down.

They thought: oh, I am going to be around Maharishi and get into this 
whole guru-disciple stuff and REALLY excelerate my evolution.  But, 
in reality, by adopting such practises and beliefs they are OFF THE 
PROGRAM and are hindering their evolution.  They may do the TM 
Technique but NOT the TM Program, two very different things.

Indeed, much if not most of the activities of the TMO these days are 
180 degrees in diametric opposition to the TM Program.

And I will suggest one other thing to you while we are on the 
subject: these activities of the TMO that I refer to as being off the 
program that everyone from Bevan to the guy that does the janitorial 
services for MUM are heavily engaged in were set up by Maharishi as a 
test.  It's all a test by him to see who actually listened to his 
instructions.  You know how everyone always says that the crazy way 
that Maharishi instructs people to do this and that is designed 
to "weatherstrip" them and acclimatize them and make 
them "flexible"?  Well, that's precisely what this whole sordid set-
up of the Movement is.

He's been waiting for 30 years for someone to say: STOP THE 
INSANITY.  But no one has come forth 'cause no one paid attention in 
TTC.

I did and it's very lonely here.



>  Look at
> the structure.  To paraphrase the words of a founding father of the
> United States of America, we're giving you a theocracy, Madam, if 
you
> can keep it.  That's right.  He erected a freakin theocracy.  What
> do you expect a theocracy to do, declare that God is dead?  For 
crying
> out loud.
>


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