Sucking on Krishna's toes? Oh man, do tell!
--- nadarrombus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you are right about this. on the ia course when
> maharishi was looking
> for experiences i think he just wanted the group to
> affirm that
> nothing was needed but self refferal. he said he was
> looking for the
> nothing experience. instead people gave him weird
> stuff like sucking
> krishnas toe or bubbles of veda. god the ladies
> would go on about
> their feelings like crazy and he would just say
> continue with the
> rounding. we need to reject the chance that this
> thing will turn into
> buddhism or worse. the buddhas last words were dont
> worship me, dont
> follow me, dont make statues of me... look what
> happened to it.
> --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret"
> <L.Shaddai@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I think we can all safely just toss the
> Collected Papers now,
> > > don't > ya
> > > > > think? No more need to pretend...
> > > > >
> > > > > The religion of Guru Devism is born.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's only 11 days since Maharishi gave up
> control of and
> > management
> > > > of the TMO and the clowns -- I mean the Rajas
> -- that have taken
> > over
> > > > have, as Curtis has indicated, already gone
> the extra mile to
> > > > solidify the "religious" nature of the
> Movement.
> > > >
> > > > This supports the theory that I have presented
> on this forum from
> > > > time to time: that Maharishi abandoned the "TM
> is not a religion
> > or
> > > > philosophy" tenet of the TM Program because he
> was badgered to do
> > so
> > > > by the sycophants that have surrounded him for
> the past 35 years.
> > And
> > > > now those very sychophants have become the
> gate-keepers.
> > > >
> > > > They wore the poor man down by continually
> demanding that he give
> > > > them the "real" knowledge despite his
> continual admonitions that
> > the
> > > > TM technique was the full and complete
> program. Well, Maharishi
> > may
> > > > be enlightened but he is only human. And at
> some point he threw
> > his
> > > > hands up and said: "Okay, if you want 'the
> real knowledge' I
> > guess
> > > > that's what I have to GIVE you." So now we've
> got THIS
> > catastrophy on
> > > > our hands: Rajas, tinfoil hats, Vedic peanut
> butter, etc.
> > > >
> > > > Well, the inmates have got the reigns of the
> ship now and,
> > presto!,
> > > > we're prostrating once a day for the next
> month.
> > > >
> > > > Abraham? Can you please bring Isaac over to
> the alter? Yeah,
> > and
> > > > bring some of those briquettes, too, while
> you're at it...
> > > >
> > >
> > > Man, I'm in a mood to laugh, laugh, laugh.
> Thank you. I haven't
> > had
> > > such belly laughs in years.
> > >
> > > But let me try to understand your arguments.
> You're saying that
> > > Maharishi did not have a hidden agenda of using
> the West to awaken
> > the
> > > East, of spreading Maharishi brand Hinduism
> throughout the world?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, he had an agenda but, no, it wasn't hidden.
> He told us quite
> > explicitly what he was doing by packaging TM as a
> non-denominational,
> > non-belief, non-religious program.
> >
> > And, no, I truly believe it wasn't a case of him
> thinking: TM is part
> > of the Hindu religion and, therefore, I have to
> disguise it in order
> > for the suckers of the West to buy into it. To
> him, TM was very much
> > a universal thing that was separate and apart from
> his own personal
> > Hinduism and could, on its own, stand apart from
> the trappings of
> > religion. And it was with that very worldview
> that he packaged TM
> > and, successfully, brought it into the world.
> >
> > And that's how things were progressing until about
> 1977-9 when things
> > started falling apart, largely from his own doing.
> And I refer to an
> > abandonment of the above described universal
> non-religious approach.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > This of course runs counter to the way it was
> explained to us wide
> > > eyed children: that Maharishi was giving us
> what we needed at the
> > > time and or that our raising the world's
> consciousness allowed the
> > > Maha Rishi to cognize more and more of the Vedic
> truth, or as I
> > always
> > > believed, to pull all of this shit out of his
> ass.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know who was explaining all this to you or
> whether it was
> > done in some official capacity. But I can tell
> you what I was taught
> > as both a meditator who learned TM from the 7-step
> program and as a
> > teacher in Teacher Training and that was that the
> TM Program was (1)
> > not a religion; (2) not a philosophy or belief;
> and (3) the
> > organisation taking on the responsibility of
> disseminating this
> > knowledge would itself embody those very
> principles (because to do
> > otherwise would be to stop being universal and
> therefore alienate
> > some potential practitioners of TM).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Dr. BM doesn't
> > > just have those funny initials for nothing. Of
> course we've read
> > > which group of great seers and Shankaracharias
> granted him the title
> > > he scribbled on that stationary in London. Let
> me speak a bit more
> > > sweetly and say that he pulled that one out of
> the air as well.
> > >
> > > I don't quite get your problem with this
> becoming a religion.
> >
> >
> >
>
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