--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "The Secret" <L.Shaddai@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think we can all safely just toss the Collected Papers now,
> > don't > ya
> > > > think? No more need to pretend...
> > > >
> > > > The religion of Guru Devism is born.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It's only 11 days since Maharishi gave up control of and
> management
> > > of the TMO and the clowns -- I mean the Rajas -- that have taken
> over
> > > have, as Curtis has indicated, already gone the extra mile to
> > > solidify the "religious" nature of the Movement.
> > >
> > > This supports the theory that I have presented on this forum from
> > > time to time: that Maharishi abandoned the "TM is not a religion
> or
> > > philosophy" tenet of the TM Program because he was badgered to do
> so
> > > by the sycophants that have surrounded him for the past 35 years.
> And
> > > now those very sychophants have become the gate-keepers.
> > >
> > > They wore the poor man down by continually demanding that he give
> > > them the "real" knowledge despite his continual admonitions that
> the
> > > TM technique was the full and complete program. Well, Maharishi
> may
> > > be enlightened but he is only human. And at some point he threw
> his
> > > hands up and said: "Okay, if you want 'the real knowledge' I
> guess
> > > that's what I have to GIVE you." So now we've got THIS
> catastrophy on
> > > our hands: Rajas, tinfoil hats, Vedic peanut butter, etc.
> > >
> > > Well, the inmates have got the reigns of the ship now and,
> presto!,
> > > we're prostrating once a day for the next month.
> > >
> > > Abraham? Can you please bring Isaac over to the alter? Yeah,
> and
> > > bring some of those briquettes, too, while you're at it...
> > >
> >
> > Man, I'm in a mood to laugh, laugh, laugh. Thank you. I haven't
> had
> > such belly laughs in years.
> >
> > But let me try to understand your arguments. You're saying that
> > Maharishi did not have a hidden agenda of using the West to awaken
> the
> > East, of spreading Maharishi brand Hinduism throughout the world?
>
>
>
>
> Yes, he had an agenda but, no, it wasn't hidden. He told us quite
> explicitly what he was doing by packaging TM as a non-denominational,
> non-belief, non-religious program.
>
> And, no, I truly believe it wasn't a case of him thinking: TM is part
> of the Hindu religion and, therefore, I have to disguise it in order
> for the suckers of the West to buy into it. To him, TM was very much
> a universal thing that was separate and apart from his own personal
> Hinduism and could, on its own, stand apart from the trappings of
> religion. And it was with that very worldview that he packaged TM
> and, successfully, brought it into the world.
>
> And that's how things were progressing until about 1977-9 when things
> started falling apart, largely from his own doing. And I refer to an
> abandonment of the above described universal non-religious approach.
>
>
>
>
>
> > This of course runs counter to the way it was explained to us wide
> > eyed children: that Maharishi was giving us what we needed at the
> > time and or that our raising the world's consciousness allowed the
> > Maha Rishi to cognize more and more of the Vedic truth, or as I
> always
> > believed, to pull all of this shit out of his ass.
>
>
>
>
> I don't know who was explaining all this to you or whether it was
> done in some official capacity. But I can tell you what I was taught
> as both a meditator who learned TM from the 7-step program and as a
> teacher in Teacher Training and that was that the TM Program was (1)
> not a religion; (2) not a philosophy or belief; and (3) the
> organisation taking on the responsibility of disseminating this
> knowledge would itself embody those very principles (because to do
> otherwise would be to stop being universal and therefore alienate
> some potential practitioners of TM).
>
>
>
>
>
> > Dr. BM doesn't
> > just have those funny initials for nothing. Of course we've read
> > which group of great seers and Shankaracharias granted him the title
> > he scribbled on that stationary in London. Let me speak a bit more
> > sweetly and say that he pulled that one out of the air as well.
> >
> > I don't quite get your problem with this becoming a religion.
>
>
>
> As religions go, I would probably be the first in line to sign up.
>
> But once it is a religion, you lose the potential to get 99% of the
> people on the planet to sign up. That's not being universal.
>
> Hey, I'd love to have a guru and sit cross-legged on the Ganges at
> the feet of a master and get darshan and all that. Must be a
> wonderful path!
>
> But that's not the path I chose for myself; I actually bought into
> the whole TM 20 minutes twice a day and then go into activity and,
> according to one's own religion and values and traditions and common
> sense, perform action. I truly, honestly believe that to be THE
> highest and fastest and most effective path to enlightenment. And
> for the vast, vast majority of Westerners (i.e., 99.9% of Westerners
> in the TMO) performing action that entails a guru-disciple
> relationship, following the dictates of Ayur-Veda and all the other
> trappings of the current TMO is NOT the instructions of the TM
> Program and,therefore, those 99.9% of the people in the Movement are
> OFF THE PROGRAM AND DO NOT -- I REPEAT DO NOT -- PRACTISE THE TM
> PROGRAM.
>
> As I am fond of repeating on this forum, those individuals in the
> Movement has sold their souls for a few shekels of darshan. These
> very people -- in particular, the Rajas -- who claim to follow
> Maharishi by their very actions are spitting on the very guru they
> purport to be devotees of. They are rakshasas. They are sycophants
> who sucked the very blood out of the Movement and consciously traded
> in the World Plan for the very selfish desire to be around an
> enlightened being. And in doing so they wore the poor bastard down.
>
> They thought: oh, I am going to be around Maharishi and get into this
> whole guru-disciple stuff and REALLY excelerate my evolution. But,
> in reality, by adopting such practises and beliefs they are OFF THE
> PROGRAM and are hindering their evolution. They may do the TM
> Technique but NOT the TM Program, two very different things.
>
> Indeed, much if not most of the activities of the TMO these days are
> 180 degrees in diametric opposition to the TM Program.
>
> And I will suggest one other thing to you while we are on the
> subject: these activities of the TMO that I refer to as being off the
> program that everyone from Bevan to the guy that does the janitorial
> services for MUM are heavily engaged in were set up by Maharishi as a
> test. It's all a test by him to see who actually listened to his
> instructions. You know how everyone always says that the crazy way
> that Maharishi instructs people to do this and that is designed
> to "weatherstrip" them and acclimatize them and make
> them "flexible"? Well, that's precisely what this whole sordid set-
> up of the Movement is.
>
> He's been waiting for 30 years for someone to say: STOP THE
> INSANITY. But no one has come forth 'cause no one paid attention in
> TTC.
>
> I did and it's very lonely here.
>
>
>
> > Look at
> > the structure. To paraphrase the words of a founding father of the
> > United States of America, we're giving you a theocracy, Madam, if
> you
> > can keep it. That's right. He erected a freakin theocracy. What
> > do you expect a theocracy to do, declare that God is dead? For
> crying
> > out loud.
> >
>
