--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
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> From: Ben Gilberti
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:39 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Is Not A Thought
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> This is just a very tiny insight.
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> What is not a thought? What's more real than thought?
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> Now don't get excited, this insight is very tiny.
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> Consider this. 2+2=4 Is that a thought?
>
> Here's the thing. You clearly can have the thought 2+2=4,
that's obvious. BUT IT'S NOT JUST A THOUGHT! The only reason
that the thought 2+2=4 is of any interest is because IT REPRESENTS A
PRINCIPLE!
>
> A principle is a thought as well. And by the way: The proof for
2+2 being 4 is depending on your underlying principles
(axiomatics). And these are just thoughts :-).
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> And 2+2 can also be more, if you look from the point of view of
quality (see Maharishi effect as best example).
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> The principle is that if you put together two of anything twice
you going to ALWAYS get four.
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> The reason why that principle is not a thought, even though you
can only think of it AS a thought, is because that principle is
ALWAYS TRUE regardless of whether anyone thinks it or not.
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> Nothing can be true without having been thought. The moment you
do not think it, it is just not there, not existing.
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> And it's true at all times, in all places, and under all
conditions.
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> That is a postulate but not a truth as such. A truth is always
relative, depending of preceding prerequisites. If it was absolute
it would not be a truth.
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> So it's a universal principle. And it would still be true even
if everyone in the universe was convinced that 2+2=5. Wouldn't
matter. The principle would still be just as true.
>
> This is not a proper argument. The universality of a principle
is not dependent on a wrong or false believe. It is dependent on
raised theories, which can be either verified or falsified. But if
you think they would be true, then this is just a believe.
>
> Like I say, it's tiny. But it may have enormous implications.
It would mean that LIFE is intimately connected with universal
principle.
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> Seems to be the case.
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> Now consider this. All the protons, neutrons, electrons and all
the stuff those fellas do, are are all described by mathematical
principles that define all their characteristics. In fact some
Physicists say that they're only "occasions of characteristics"
themselves, or in other words, only occasions of principle.
Principle that was just as real in the middle ages when no one had
any THOUGHTS about it, principle that is no more real now that 834
Atomic Physicists are thinking thoughts about it all the time.
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> It may have been real, but that is our thought. Therefore a
principle is a thought :-).
>
> So what, Ben? Just like principle is beyond all thought, Life
is beyond all your insights. Life isn't something to understand,
you hopeless egghead; Life is something to be experienced.
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> I do not know, what the egg-head said, but he is right: Life is
insight, life is thought, life is experience, these are all aspects
or variations of the same principle, which again can manifest as an
insight, a thought or an experience.
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> Ok, well then, how can one EXPERIENCE PRINCIPLE?
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> Can you guess what the Ultimate Universal Principle would be?
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> GOD! Maybe God's not only that, but He surely is that at least!
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> It's you, that is God.
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> And how do we experience God?
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> "Thy will be done!"
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> Sounds a bit spacy.
>
> And now wait till you hear this!
>
> First listen to these guys, David Swarup & Jeff Hijlkema,
playing music by just listening to God, not knowing what they're
going to play till they play it. http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?
fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=116913507&blogID=349306059
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> So they are listening to themselves, otherwise I personally
would like to get name, address, mobile-and social security numbers
of this "GOD".
>
> No, come on now, take three minutes to listen to that, just
click on it, and then listen.
>
> (pause)
>
> Now remember what they said about how they played? "an amazing
acoustic and a magic improvisation -- we did not say a word..it came
to us in the moment from the beginning till the end!
> Thanks up there!:):):):)"
>
> That's the way how inspiration or music should function.
>
> This is what we're all after, to be Life-inspired in every
moment, in all we do.
>
> A new revelation or recognition ?
>
> I've noticed it beginning to happen in some things between me
and Mary; and in some emails I write, not anything I post as yet,
just one on one emails, when I don't think, I just write, and it's
perfect for it's purpose, and I know if I gave it any thought I
would never have written what I did.
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> This is a poetical description of how thoughts may function but
this is not a science-theoretically or philosophically appropriate
consideration. The same way as if you stated, that Pizza would
be "no food for you" even though it obvioulsy would seem to be food
for others.
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> And there was a period several years ago I got into this Life-
inspired zone somehow and there'd be 30 or 40 people waiting for a
Class, and I'd leave my notes behind and would say what came to me
to say in each moment, without knowing what I would say next till
the next moment came, all day long, from nine in the morning till
nine at night. (with breaks of course)
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> But then somehow I lost it and had to teach from notes again.
And it never extended into any other areas of my life, or only did
very, very rarely.
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> This must be a matter of Mind to Life. Is it not? Or is this
different?
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> Or is it all so simple as "my will" is Mind, and "Thy will" is
Life?
>
> Thy will and my will have to match, then it's life. None of them
make sense, standing for themselves only.
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> Is that it? If it is so, it is that ;.).
>
> Listening to God surely isn't a matter of tuning into how some
infinite dude wants things to go! God is at the very least infinite
universal principle.
>
> You seem to go in the right direction, but it sounds a bit
theoretical.
>
> But who cares? So what?
>
> The EXPERIENCE is surrender to "Thy will be done." That's all
you need to know.
>
> Surrender means, you take initiative and God will guide you.
There is no other way.
>
> Tiny insights would only get in the way. So forget all I
wrote. It will only get in the way.
>
> In which way ? Tiny insights seem to be always good. They may
prevent you from getting stubborn.
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> Much Love,
>
> Ben
>
> Hagen
>
> Beautiful. Thanks for posting this ! :-)
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