--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> <mailander111@> wrote:
> >
> > Ruth, we're all "trained" one way or another.  It is impossible for
> any living thing not to be "trained" from birth on (and maybe before). 
> And all "training" looks more or less "normal" from the inside.  It only
> gets scary when we see "training" radically different from our own. 
> Liberation means a perceived spiritual independence from "training." 
> The "training" is still there, but you don't identify with it.  From
> that point of view, all "training" looks bizarre--even, and, maybe
> especially, the "training" most of us consider to be the normal state
> for most folks at any given time in any given culture.
> 
> 
> We are all a product of our genes and our experiences and some might
> say, our karma. We all look at the world through those glasses.
> 
> I have yet to meet a person that I would consider liberated from this
> state.
> 
> My reference to "scary" isn't a reference to different experiences or
> backgrounds. Scary is when people lose their capacity for independent
> thought and do anything that their "master" tells them to do, no matter
> how inappropriate because it simply cannot be wrong. I am not saying
> that occurred with MMY, but there are signs . . . .
> 
> Thank god MMY was not the type to ask people to "drink the kool-aid."

Funny that you brought this up Ruth. One of the reasons I originally bailed on 
MMY and 
TMO was because it had occurred to me that I was rationalizing every kind of 
behavior for 
him. If he put someone though some kind of mental torment, it was to burn that 
person's 
karma....not that he was pissed off and being ornery. If he lost his temper 
(and boy could 
he EVER!) it was all part of some cosmic play, certainly not that he was just 
in a bad mood.

As I thought about it I realized that if he had ordered someone killed, for 
instance (not 
saying that he did mind you) that I would have also excused this, since 
hey....we're all in 
this for the long hall anyway and he was simply moving that person ahead on the 
long 
corridor of time.

I needed to get off of that bus.



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