--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity"
<ruthsimplicity@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > <mailander111@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ruth, we're all "trained" one way or another. It is
impossible for
> > any living thing not to be "trained" from birth on (and maybe
before).
> > And all "training" looks more or less "normal" from the inside.
It only
> > gets scary when we see "training" radically different from our
own.
> > Liberation means a perceived spiritual independence
from "training."
> > The "training" is still there, but you don't identify with it.
From
> > that point of view, all "training" looks bizarre--even, and,
maybe
> > especially, the "training" most of us consider to be the normal
state
> > for most folks at any given time in any given culture.
> >
> >
> > We are all a product of our genes and our experiences and some
might
> > say, our karma. We all look at the world through those glasses.
> >
> > I have yet to meet a person that I would consider liberated from
this
> > state.
> >
> > My reference to "scary" isn't a reference to different
experiences or
> > backgrounds. Scary is when people lose their capacity for
independent
> > thought and do anything that their "master" tells them to do, no
matter
> > how inappropriate because it simply cannot be wrong. I am not
saying
> > that occurred with MMY, but there are signs . . . .
> >
> > Thank god MMY was not the type to ask people to "drink the kool-
aid."
>
> Funny that you brought this up Ruth. One of the reasons I
originally bailed on MMY and
> TMO was because it had occurred to me that I was rationalizing
every kind of behavior for
> him. If he put someone though some kind of mental torment, it was
to burn that person's
> karma....not that he was pissed off and being ornery. If he lost
his temper (and boy could
> he EVER!) it was all part of some cosmic play, certainly not that
he was just in a bad mood.
>
> As I thought about it I realized that if he had ordered someone
killed, for instance (not
> saying that he did mind you) that I would have also excused this,
since hey....we're all in
> this for the long hall anyway and he was simply moving that person
ahead on the long
> corridor of time.
>
> I needed to get off of that bus.
>
yes, especially since it was you who carefully welded and hammered
and bolted the bus together. then dutifully paid your fare, got
behind the wheel and began driving. then at some point actually
looked out the windshield, saw where you were going, and exclaimed
holy shit! I am outta here! so is that another bus seat under your
butt right now???
