--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My point, though, is not a clarion call to follow, or not follow, any > shastras, sciptures or ethics. My only point is that there is a state > of "sadhu"-- goodness -- a deep zone -- that is far more refined and > liberating than some (partially realized perhaps) mahavakya. > > How one cultures that sadhu state -- it may or may not be through > shastra. I have no opinion on that of consequence.
My point is that Paramatma [God with form and influence] is *central* to the whole thing and not in any way secondary or incidental. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > "By the word "saadhu" don't understand it to be the ones who have > > > red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The > > > meaning of the word "saadhu" is 'good', the person who has a good > > > disposition that man exists as a saadhu, > > > > > > > > > This, for me, is a great quote. It captures what I was trying to say > > > some months ago about "human virtues" are the fruit and a milestone > > > of any realization worth the name. (Marek, you may remember).Some > > > people are "good". To their core. That, to me, is a far more advanced > > > state of freedom and refinement than "merely" having no owenership of > > > action, and seeing (a type of) Oneness in everything. > > > > > > A good person personifies all the virtues that shastras and good books > > > attempt to distill and pass out as talking points and to do lists. > > > The good person is beyond that. They define new and ever expanding > > > levels of goodness in every act. They are a delight to be around. > > > Always uplifting. > > > > > > > > My experience has been that when the concepts Guru Dev expressed below > > have been expressed openly in any effective way by anyone of any > > significant influence within the TMO, that there has been a concerted > > effort to attack and eradicate those concepts and censor them. > > > > The idea that you can do whatever the hell you want and attain God and > > enlightenment prevails. The only thing really required within the TMO > > is total conformity to the TMO party line. It's all been a result of > > Maharishi's direction and wishes. > > > > And as a result of this you get people like Jim Flanegan [aka > > sandiego] claiming brahman and acting with total disregard for the > > Shastras and indifference toward "what is wicked and what is sacred." > > > > That which Paramatman [God] with form and influence represents is > > apparently willfully missing in the expressions and lives of these > > people. > > > > ======= > > > > > > When people call themselves brahman then afterwards go far from dharma > > and karma too, in this way, that condition [of oneness with brahman] > > is not nourished but is destroyed. > > > > Therefore until you shrink from love of worldly things, then for as > > long as you are not returning to brahman, you should do worship of > > Bhagavan. Keep doing bhakti and when he will very much be in desire of > > Bhagavan, then afterwards you shall be freed from janma-maraNa ke > > chakkara - the wheel of birth and death. > > > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita > > kaNa 9 of 108] > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_9 > > == > > > > > > A few people are getting up and having a big argument to measure and > > distinguish saakaara (with form) and niraakaara (formless) separately. > > If you accept paramaatmaa is all-powerful then how can you say > > afterwards that he is not with form or that he is really shapeless? > > > > If you have been accepting that paramaatmaa is all-powerful, it is > > improper to say that he is niraakaara (formless), that he is not > > having form. When he is said to be free and independent then what can > > he not be and what can he not do? > > > > Bhagavan is nirguNa (without qualities) and saguNa (endowed with > > qualities). > > > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita > > kaNa 88 of 108] > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 > > > > The way of the group of those who believe in nirguNa [without > > qualities alone] spread more wickedness because these people do not > > accept the manifest form of Bhagavan [God] and suppose that the > > niraakaara [formless] cannot see or hear. > > > > So they do their mind's desires; they have no concern for what is > > wicked and what is sacred. > > > > ===== > > > > 'For the welfare of saadhu and for the destruction of the wicked I am > > manifest and for the estsablishment of dharma I am manifest.' > > > > ~Bhagavad Gita 4:8 > > > > > > By the word "saadhu" don't understand it to be the ones who have > > red-brown tilaka marking or maalaa of beads around the neck. The > > meaning of the word "saadhu" is 'good', the person who has a good > > disposition that man exists as a saadhu, that man accepts the code of > > conduct of the Veda shaastra, whose faith is in tending his own > > religion. Really for the welfare of them Bhagavan becomes the avataara > > (incarnation). > > > > ~~ Swami Brahmananda Saraswati - Guru Dev > > [Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita kaNa 88 of 108] > > http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/UA_Hindi.htm#kaNa_88 > > > > Link to the above: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm > > >
