--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
<richardhughes103@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> 
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo" 
> > <richardhughes103@> wrote:
> > 
> > > Again, did you read John's math-laden papers on the subject? 
> > They're philosophical in 
> > > nature, rather than scientific, but the insights he gained from 
his 
> > philisophical discussions 
> > > with MMY led to the initial modifications of FLipped SU(5) 
which 
> > were the basis of his fame 
> > > and at least partly the basis of the fame of Nanapolous and 
Ellis 
> > as well.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Lawson
> > >
> > 
> > Now that is interesting, the usual way he is presented is that he 
met 
> > MMY and his whole career fell apart because everyone thought he 
had 
> > flipped (no pun).
> 
> I already posted his SLAC blibliography. John Started TM when he 
was 17 while recovering 
> from a sking incident. According to people who knew him in college, 
he was already  
> discussing how things like levitation might work on a QM level.
> 
> Now, in grad and post-grad school, he published some well-respected 
papers on physics 
> (top-cite 500+ according to SLAC) but his most important work,  
Flipped (SU) 5, didn't get 
> published until AFTER he met with MMY in Switzerland. According to 
an interview John 
> gave 20 years ago, he went back to his desk and started going 
through various GUT 
> studies trying to see which fit most closely with MMY's exposition 
on Vedic Cosmology. He 
> found that FLipped SU(5) was the closested philosophical fit.
> 
> After some tweaking to make it fit even closer to MMY's theories, 
he realized that the 
> modifications actually made the theory *stronger* from a Western 
scientific perspective, 
> and faxed John Ellis at CERN the initial tweak with the note "Isn't 
this the sweetest little 
> theory." Ellis and John Haglein had already published research with 
Nanapolous when John 
> and Ellis worked for Nanopolous in grad school, so Ellis contacted 
him directly with john's 
> fax and the 3 started a decade-long collaboration on FLipped SU(5) 
and related issues.
> 
> > 
> > It's undeniable that he went too far for most people with his on 
C as 
> > UF the chief complaint being that he twisted physics to fit
> 
> His layman's discussions certainly go out on a limb, but his two 
initial papers on the 
> subject, while philosophical in nature, don't include anything 
outside the mainstream of 
> Physics EXCEPT to note the correlations between Vedic Cosmology and 
Quantum field 
> theories (which is crazy enough in most PHysicists eyes).
> 
> Certainly, I've never heard anyone claim that the math and analysis 
presented in those two 
> papers is wrong, only that the premise (and conclusion) is 
completely insane simply 
> because *it is* --the people who can read the papers all the way 
through generally don't. 
> Ellis and Nanopolous likely DID read them all the way through 
because John published 
> them at the start of their collaboration, but they continued 
working with him for another 
> 5-10 years after he published those two papers.
> 
> One is available online. I've been trying for years to get John to 
make the other available 
> but my emails are ignored. Typical TM movement crap. They ignore my 
suggestion to put models of the TM building projects in Second LIfe 
too. They ignored my calls to set up 
> internet presence at the start of John's second Presidential 
campaign also. Typical TM (but 
> also typical political attitude from that period for everyone).
> 
> 
> 33) Is Consciousness The Unified Field? (A Field Theorist's 
Perspective). 
> John S. Hagelin (Maharishi U. of Management) . RX-1131 (MAHARISHI-
INT'L), MIU-THP-
> 86-015, (Received Aug 1986). 115pp. 
> Published in Mod.Sci. & Vedic Sci.1: 29, 1986.
> 
> 60) Restructuring Physics From Its Foundation In Light Of 
Maharishi's Vedic Science.
> John S. Hagelin (Maharishi U. of Management) . MIU-THP-89-48, Sep 
1989. 125pp.
> 
> scanned version:
> 
> http://ccdb4fs.kek.jp/cgi-bin/img/allpdf?198912227
> 
> 
> John's SLACk bibliography:
> 
> http://www.slac.stanford.edu/spires/find/hep/www?
> rawcmd=FIND+A+HAGELIN&FORMAT=www&SEQUENCE=ds
> 
> 
> Lawson
> 
> 

Thank you for the info and links I shall have a good read at my 
leisure.

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