> So the banning of a person or another is just 
> all empty drama to allow people doing the banning 
> to have something to feel powerful and decisive 
> about, and for those banned to feel wronged and 
> victimized about, but it is complete illusion on 
> both sides.
>
Yeah, but the OldBluIceMan still thinks he's been 
banned. From what I've heard, he hasn't been banned,
it's just that nobody out there likes him anymore 
because he doesn't do any work - he just lays around 
all the time sleeping or watching TV. Apparently he
can't even make it down the hill for satsang these
days.

But he should know, concerning the twelve marks, 
hand applied, by every bhakta, it would be a cause of 
concern if any marks were to appear to be 'perfectly
applied' by using a mirror. Those marks are applied 
BEFORE the sanctified prasadam, and must never be 
applied using a two inch paint brush, with a mirror, 
or even by looking at hisself in the reflection of 
his water pot.

Also for the sadhus who apply 'ash', who usually claim 
to be serving a delineation of a rasik attitude, that 
those marks which appear as one line of white ash can 
never be 'straight across the forehead horizontally'.

If the ash mark appears as one single line, applied 
with three fingers, then the sadhu is probably an 
impostor, and should be ignored.

Sometimes the actual mark may appear to be some sort 
of messy smear where a simile of a line appear to be. 

The vertical 'U-shaped' marks of devotional service 
vary in a large variety, but they must never have any
lower 'stem' to the 'U' such as to make it a 'Y'. It 
may have a series of marks inside the U, and a dot 
below the U, as also the ash marks may also have marks 
centered within it, and a dot below it.

It is also permissible for the sadhu to apply such 
marks with only 'water', and thus nothing would be seen 
remaining. You can ask those who appear without marks, 
as to what type, and in what manner they apply their
devotional service designations.

This seems to be cosmetic, but it is apparently, one 
of the primary credentials to be validated in a sadhu, 
that is, a 'good fellow'.

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