--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Nice Curtis, > > Bob is just one big projection isn't he? Blood lust, virgins, sex, > low consciousness, moving into a strange and weird space. > Sort of cosmic bullying I guess.
Hey Steve, Bob posts some great stuff sometimes so I consider him a valued contributor, even if the contribution is something I totally disagree with. But accusing someone of low consciousness because they can read and quote history seemed a bit much. Plus it allowed me to use the words, bourbon and sex in the same post so I am a happy camper! I really enjoyed your post and love to read about history, especially when it involves the Maharishi's deified "Vedic culture." I am highly skeptical that they rose above the general asshole level of most societies ancient and modern. I am also shocked beyond belief that one of the most popular religions of our time performs a mock cannibalistic rite each Sunday. Maximum creepy, despite the Sermon on the Mount's positive (but juvenile) vibe. And with the last 8 years of our country I can't even effectively be condescending about ancient cultures. We are running the same routines in this day and age. What a bunch of apes! > Well cheers my friend, pulled any rabbits out of a lately ? :) Every day brother, every day! My latest rabbit: http://tinyurl.com/6f63dp > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > There are no human-sacrifice rituals authorized by the Vedas -- > > those > who think so are merely expressing the inability of their > low > > > consciousness to think in terms other than what would satisfy > their > > > blood lust. In fact, even animal sacrifice is not authorized: > > > > Starting with an ad hominem. Nice touch, it alerts the reader that > we > > are about to hear an unsupported, poor argument. > > > > > > "Brahmana who have access to knowledge of the veda which is the > key > > > to self-knowledge, misread and misinterpret the vaidika > injunctions > > > and indulge in drinking wine, animal sacrifice and sexual > pleasure. > > > The veda permitted these as a concession to the ignorant who have > no > > > self-control, > > > > So you found a contradiction in scriptures that were created years > > apart by different people. Imagine that. Now let's look at the > claim > > itself. First it is claimed to be a concession to the ignorant. OK > > so let's see it this is plausible... > > > > and even then wine was only to be smelt, the animals > should only > > adorn the ritual site, > > > > Yeah, when I want a shot of bourbon I just take a sniff. Works > every > > time. And when I want a juicy burger I just go to a petting zoo. > > Great concession to my ignorance guys. Let me guess what is coming > > next, if I put a condom on my finger I wont need to get laid... > > > > and sexual enjoyment be indulged > in for the sake of progeny only. > > > > So having sex as a means to increase intimacy in a loving > relationship > > is out too huh? This is deep ignorance. Prudish proclamations that > > remind me of a the kind of people today who adapt a "wide stance" in > > public men's rooms. People who speak about sex as if it is sinful > > reveal their own lifeless hearts. And usually theocracy is not far > > behind...or a little behind is not far behind... > > > > They who are ignorant of this, > > > haughtily considering themselves wise, kill animals which in turn > > > kill them when they depart from the world." > > > > So the claim is that this guy knows that after we die, all the Big > > Macs we have eaten rise up and "kill us" again? Nice fantasy. > > > > <snip> > > > > > > The whole purpose of the TM movement is to raise the level of > > > awareness to a point where people, regardless of their nominal > > > relationship with a religion, do not find it necessary, because > of > > > their anxiety and frustration, to kill their neighbors. > > > > You mean unless Krishna asks you too right? > > > > This claim of more moral or ethical behavior in long term TM > > practitioners is another religious fantasy. In the TM group we see > > all kinds of people, no better or worse than any other mostly well > > educated group of people. > > > > > > Human monkeys kill other human monkeys, always have always will. > > Sometimes it is in the name of religion, sometimes for personal > gain, > > sometimes for entertainment, and the list goes on and on. Any group > > who claims the higher ground and claims to never have killed, had > > better have the word "Jain" checked on their religious preference > > form. (That is unless anyone has some dirt on those guys too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Human sacrifices were carried out in connection with the > worship > > > of > > > > Shakti till approximately the early modern period, and in > Bengal > > > > perhaps as late as the early nineteenth century[28]. Certain > > > tantric > > > > cults performed human sacrifice till around the same time, both > > > > actual and "symbolic"; it was a "highly ritualised" act, and on > > > > occasion took many months to complete[28]. > > > > > > > > The question of whether human sacrifice is permitted in the > Vedas > > > > and, if so, was actually practiced is a matter of dispute by > > > > scholars. The prevailing nineteenth century view, associated > above > > > > all with Henry Colebrooke, was that human sacrifice had little > > > > scriptural warrant, and did not actually take place. Those > verses > > > > which referred to purusamedha were meant to be read symbolically > > > [29] > > > > or as a 'priestly fantasy'. However, barely a generation later > > > > Albrecht Weber collected textplaces referring to human > sacrifice > > > with > > > > greater specificity; and Rajendralal Mitra published a defence > of > > > the > > > > thesis that human sacrifice, as had been practiced in Bengal, > was a > > > > continuation of traditions dating back to Vedic periods[30]. > > > Hermann > > > > Oldenberg held to Colebrooke's view; but Jan Gonda underlined > its > > > > disputed status. > > > > > > > > It was agreed even by Colebrooke, however, that by the Puranic > > > > period - at least at the time of the writing of the Kalika > Purana, > > > > human sacrifice was accepted[29]. These two periods, however > were > > > > separated by a period of increasing "embarrassment" in the use > of > > > > violence in worship, contemporaneous with the Upanishads. > > > > > > > > In the post-Puranic medieval period, however, it became > > > increasingly > > > > common. In the seventh century, Banabhatta, in a description of > the > > > > dedication of a temple of Chandika, describes a series of human > > > > sacrifices; similarly, in the ninth century, Haribhadra > describes > > > the > > > > sacrifices to Chandika in Orissa[31]. It was "more common" in > the > > > > Southern parts of India, where it took on a scapegoating rather > > > than > > > > purifying role[31]. > > > > > > > > The Khonds, an aboriginal tribe of India, inhabiting the > tributary > > > > states of Orissa and Andhra Pradesh, became notorious, on the > > > British > > > > occupation of their district about 1835, from the prevalence > and > > > > cruelty of the human sacrifices they practised.[32 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sgrayatlarge > <no_reply@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you can include the violence of Hinduism as well > Bob > > > re: > > > > > > MahaBharta, how many died in that great battle? > > > > > > > > > > > > You also forgot to mention why Moses the slaughter. Balaam > was > > > a > > > > > > swell guy now wasn't he? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > The warfare in the Mahabharata was between warriors on the > huge > > > > > battlefield on the plains of Kurukshetra, not the slaughter > of > > > > > innocent civilians. The only difference between Moses and the > > > > > Israelis now killing civilians in Lebanon and wherever they > can > > > is > > > > > that Moses liked to keep fresh young virgin girls around (not > > > that > > > > > Jews are any more or less disposed to slaughter than other > > > peoples). > > > > > > > > > > Of course, you don't have enough brains to distinguish > between > > > > > killing a bad guy like Balaam and slaughtering an entire > people, > > > as > > > > > if the existence of one bad guy could in any way justify the > > > > killing > > > > > of defenseless women and children. > > > > > > > > > > You are "at large," all right, but a mentality like yours, > like > > > > other > > > > > beastly proponents of slaughter of innocents, belongs in a > cage > > > at > > > > > the zoo. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante > <no_reply@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Full length English version now on Google Video. Learn > some > > > > > > history > > > > > > > > on the Religion of Peace in this controversial > documentary: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- > 871902797772997781 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Link > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Everything you've always wanted to know about Islam > but > > > were > > > > > > afraid > > > > > > > > to ask. The feature documentary that discovers the > basis of > > > > > > Muslim > > > > > > > > violence in the Koran and the life of Muhammad." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When you consider the centuries and centuries of brutal > > > warfare > > > > > and > > > > > > > exploitation by so-called Christians against other Xtians > and > > > > > other > > > > > > > peoples, it's ridiculous to characterize Muslims as being > any > > > > > more > > > > > > > violent, either in scripture or in historical fact, than > > > > > Christians > > > > > > or > > > > > > > Jews. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read the Bibles' Numbers 31, in which Moses ordered the > > > > slaughter > > > > > > of an > > > > > > > entire group, allowing only the virgin girls to live: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/num/31.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
