--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108"
> > <sandiego108@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > > As to his empathy or not, I'd say its a pretty
> > > > > > overwhelming show of empathy to begin a world
> > > > > > wide movement to spread a technique that eliminates
> > > > > > suffering in its practitioners.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is very conceptual. Maharishi never eliminated
> > > > > any of my "suffering." Wasn't suffering when I met
> > > > > him. and I am not suffering now.
> > > >
> > > > "Very conceptual"? Is that another way of saying
> > > > "I have no rebuttal to this"?
> > >
> > > No, it referred to the fact that a statement like "eliminating
> > > suffering in its practitioners" is divorced from anyone's
> > > possible experience.
> >
> > But Jim was addressing the issue of whether MMY had
> > empathy. Do you deny that the intention to eliminate
> > suffering (whether it's accomplished or not) indicates
> > empathy?
> >
> > Because saying "This is very conceptual" and that MMY
> > didn't eliminate *your* suffering isn't a rebuttal of
> > the assertion that MMY's intention to eliminate
> > suffering shows that he had empathy.
> >
> > <snip>
> > > Did TM eliminate your suffering Judy?
> >
> > Certainly has reduced it, more and more over time.
> > Again, though, that's irrelevant to the issue of
> > whether it's what MMY intended.
> >
> MMY never discussed eliminating suffering in the world w/o a
> fundraising appeal coming up close behind and the belief that He
alone
> could do it. Meglomaniacs routinely view themselves as world
saviors.
> Talking about suffering doesn't show empathy. Most importantly,
my
> discussions with people from the inner circle reveal that MMY
> generally did not treat individuals very well - individuals were
> viewed as cogs to be used in his grand plans.
>
My take on the way he treated people was that they were treated as
mature adults capable of making their own decisions, including
leaving his organization when the time was right. I recognize that's
a pretty high bar for some.
