--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I assume you are satirizing the loony logic of some of our other > astute posters here. > > Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Does > this imply that all graduate of U of I should be banned from being > president because of the Ayers connections?
...only the ones running for president. > > You went to an University whose name sake, president and chief > scientists are "nuts" -- or at least say very nutty things. And the > goofiest thing -- you "flew" everyday at this so called university. > Should people who deal with you on insurance matters be told the truth > about you! I would slink into the nearest hole if ever I was presented to my clients as such. But, again, I'm not running for president (would YOU vote for someone that went to MIU? I wouldn't!) As Groucho said: I wouldn't belong to a club that would have me as a member. > > I went to the University of California. Angela Davis taught there. > Herbert Marcuse taught there. both avowed Communists and radicals. Did they commit acts of terrorism? I don't think Marcuse did. Davis is another story, although if memory serves me correctly, she was NOT convicted for the George Jackson thing, for which she was a fugitive (remember the "Free Angela" buttons?). > Eldridge Cleaver, Tim Leary, Abbie Hoffman, Tom Hayden, Jerry Rubin > all spoke there. Students spoke at rally's and advocated open > revolution. It was the hotbed and leading wave of student and natioanl > protests, People took drugs there. Martin Luther King spoke there and > he advocated strong resistance against the government. MLK never advocated terrorism and you do insult his name by putting him in the same paragraph as the likes of Hayden and Hoffman. I leave out Rubin and Cleaver because they changed their thinking in later years. Leary? He was just a drug addled junkie. > Heck, Ronald > Reagan was governor of an head of the Board of Regents when I was > there -- when no attacking we students from his helicopters filled > with tear gas -- and apparently he caused the meltdown of the US > economy. Bobby and Jack Kennedy spoke there -- and they palled around > with mobsters, ...yes, and quite rightly have been admonished for it many times since it has come to light. > and "started" the (serious part of) the war in Vietnam > -- which became an immoral and political/economic disaster. Yes, and history has dealt with them for that. Gosh, new.morning, you're just giving reasons why people shouldn't vote for Obama. Whose side are you on? > Should I > and all other graduates of UC be banned from being president because > of the "Davis/Marcuse/Revolutionaries/Drug/Reagan/mobster/Kennedy" > connection? ...if you supported terrorism and terrorists then, yes, you should be. But I don't think any of the above were. Hayden and Hoffman neither blew up or advocated blowing things up as far as I know and they're the worst of the bunch. > > (And Peter, like Marcuse, advocated fucking as a solution to society's > problems. He must have read Marcuse. You traded posts with Peter and > were associated with him for years on FFL. Clearly we should ban Peter > from FLL for such radical connections, but then should we ban all of > us for our connections to Peter?) ...the fucking solution would be a reason to vote FOR Peter for president. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > At least someone in this campaign has some balls. > > > > This to me is one of the main reasons this man cannot be > > president...and the ties to William Ayers run deep. > > > > Talk about vetting. Who the hell vetted Obama during the primaries > > about this? > > > > What I'd like to know is: how many Americans are actually aware of > > the William Ayers connection? Is it a large or small percentage? > > And of those that know about it, how many will NOT vote for Obama > > because of it? If it's a large percentage, you can bet that a whole > > lotta money will be spent informing the public of the connection. > > > > And please don't retort with: Oh, having a connection with William > > Ayers is something that mainstream people in Chicago have been doing > > for years; why Mayor Daley has worked with Ayers. > > > > Well, two wrongs don't make a right. And, besides, Barky is supposed > > to be different; he's supposed to be "change we can believe it"...a > > leader who doesn't do things just because everyone else in the crowd > > is doing it. > > > > If Barky is just going to be one more run-of-the-mill politicians, > > why do we need him? What we need is a REAL leader; someone who would > > have had the courage and fortitude to say: I don't care how many of > > my fellow Chicago politicians approve of and work with this self- > > admitted terrorist, I won't have anything to do with him. > > > > But, no, Barky is NOT a unique thinker, he is NOT someone who will go > > AGAINST the crowd; he is a go-with-the-flow kind of guy who will, > > obviously, give in to peer-group pressure. > > > > This is not a leader; this is a follower. > > > > We need a leader as president. > > > > As Palin says: "This is not a man who sees America as you see America > > and as I see America." Barky is, simply, unacceptable to be president. > > > > ------------------- > > > > Palin says Obama 'palling around' with terrorists > > > > Oct 4 03:32 PM US/Eastern > > By JIM KUHNHENN > > Associated Press Writer > > > > 'America Needs to Know This' > > > > > > ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) - Republican vice presidential candidate > > Sarah Palin on Saturday accused Democrat Barack Obama of "palling > > around with terrorists" because of his association with a former > > 1960s radical, stepping up the campaign's effort to portray Obama as > > unacceptable to American voters. > > > > Palin's reference was to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group > > the Weather Underground. Its members took credit for bombings, > > including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol, > > during the tumultuous Vietnam War era four decades ago. Obama, who > > was a child when the group was active, served on a charity board with > > Ayers several years ago and has denounced his radical views and > > activities. > > > > The Republican campaign, falling behind Obama in polls, plans to make > > attacks on Obama's character a centerpiece of presidential candidate > > John McCain's message with a month remaining before Election Day. > > > > Palin told a group of donors at a private airport, "Our opponent ... > > is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, > > imperfect enough, that he's palling around with terrorists who would > > target their own country." She also said, "This is not a man who sees > > America as you see America and as I see America." > > > > Palin, Alaska's governor, said that donors on a greeting line had > > encouraged her and McCain to get tougher on Obama. She said an aide > > then advised her, "Sarah, the gloves are off, the heels are on, go > > get to them." > > > > The escalated effort to attack Obama's character dovetails with TV > > ads by outside groups questioning Obama's ties to Ayers, convicted > > former Obama fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko and Obama's former > > pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. > > > > Ayers is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. He and > > Obama live in Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood and served together on > > the board of the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based charity that develops > > community groups to help the poor. Obama left the board in December > > 2002. > > > > Obama was the first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a > > school-reform group of which Ayers was a founder. Ayers also held a > > meet-the-candidate event at his home for Obama when Obama first ran > > for office in the mid-1990s. > > > > Palin cited a New York Times story published Saturday that detailed > > Obama's relationship with Ayers. In an interview with CBS News > > earlier in the week, Palin didn't name any newspapers or magazines > > that had shaped her view of the world. > > > > Summing up its findings, the Times wrote: "A review of records of the > > schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, > > suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. > > Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has > > Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions > > of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable > > acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'" > > > > Earlier Saturday, Palin spent 35 minutes at a diner in Greenwood > > Village where she met with Blue Star Moms, a support group of > > families whose sons or daughters are serving in the armed forces. > > Reporters were allowed in the diner for less than five minutes before > > being ushered out by the campaign. > > > > Palin, whose 19-year-old son, Track, deployed last month as a private > > with an Army combat team, was overheard at one point commiserating > > with one of the mothers: "Any time I ask my son how he's doing, he > > says, 'Mom, I'm in the Army now.'" > > > > Taking one question from reporters about competing in battleground > > states, Palin repeated her wish that the campaign had not pulled out > > of Michigan, a prominent state in presidential elections where Obama > > leads by double-digit percentage points in recent polls. > > > > "As I said the other day, I would sure love to get to run to Michigan > > and make sure that Michigan knows that we haven't given up there," > > she said. "We care much about Michigan and every other state. I wish > > there were more hours in the day so that we could travel all over > > this great country and start speaking to more Americans. So, not > > worried about it but just desiring more time and, you know, to put > > more effort into each one of these states." > > >
