--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> .
> >
> > As for the global warming thing, I am disappointed that Palin
even
> > SLIGHTLY acknowledged that ANY global warming was man-made.
> > Catastrophic man-made global warming is a myth, it is completely
an
> > unfounded scientific notion,
>
> I love reading stuff here. You made a good point about the dangers
> of fundamentalism in government and then follow it up with your own
> kooky beliefs.
Hell, I've got a lot of kooky beliefs...I'll be the first to admit it!
But if you're referring to my stance on catastrophic man-made global
warming, I can't be accused of it being a "kooky belief" because I'm
not the one with the "belief": the Al Gore's of the world are!
You can say I am kooky for NOT sharing in their belief but I can't
have a belief -- kooky or otherwise -- if I choose not to believe in
something that has yet to happen ('cause, you see, catastrophic man-
made global warming isn't currently a reality...it may or may not
happen in the future but it isn't currently happening).
>Surely what we need at the helm is someone who can
> assess evidence and act reasonably whether it's climate science or
> paleontology. (Not to be confused with Palintology which is clearly
> nonsense).
>
>
>
>
>
> and it has already lead to the death of
> > many thousands of people. Talk about mixing science with
religion,
> > Curtis! My gosh, global warming is a fanatical radical religion
> far
> > worse and extreme than anything Sarah Palin may believe in
> regarding
> > dinasaurs.
>
> Surreal.
>
> > "Hey, hey, AGJ, how many babies have you killed today?" This
should
> > be yelled from every rooftop in America. Al Gore and his global
> > warming cult are killing the poorest of the poor and this is the
> > biggest issue of the decade as far as I'm concerned. And it is
> > nutcase fundamentalism that is on the par with people like Barry
> > Wright's belief that he witnessed levitation or fundamentalists
who
> > believe that Jesus will rise again.
> >
> > As for Bush's bad things outweighing the good well I'll be the
> first
> > to agree with you on that...we just may disagree on which bad
> things
> > are doing the outweighing.
> >
> > As for the Sonny Bono reference: I was actually referring to the
U2
> > Bono who is a big Bush supporter, at least in things Third World
> and
> > AIDS (I tried to make a funny).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/07/12/bush_bad_science/
> > >
> > > I was referring to this.
> > >
> > > A president who does not understand how science works or even
> > general
> > > principles of epistemology work causes other problems. His
> > > understanding about what would constitute good evidence of the
> > > situation in pre-war Iraq for example.
> > >
> > > Neither Bush nor Palin demonstrate clear thinking skills, they
go
> > with
> > > their gut. Palin does not need to know the causes of global
> warming
> > > before she goes in to fix the problem. Do you understand the
> > > implications of this style of thinking?
> > >
> > > > Be that as it may, Curtis, you should be aware that George
Bush
> > > leads> the world in supporting and providing funds for both AIDS
> > > research> and providing monies to the Third World to combat
> AIDS.
> > And
> > > he has > far surpassed Clinton in doing it and that's why
people
> > like
> > > Sonny > Bono praise him for this.
> > >
> > > Sonny rose from the grave?
> > >
> > > His plan has many good and some bad points. In a country where
> rape
> > > is the biggest problem with the spread of AIDs his giving a
third
> of
> > > the money for prevention towards abstinence education seems out
of
> > > touch.
> > >
> > > Bush has done lots of good things Shemp. For me the bad things
> out
> > > weigh the good. YMMV. But I don't want another 4 years of anti
> > > intellectual bias in the White House. I don't believe that Joe
Six
> > > Pack is able to handle the problems our world faces right now.
I
> am
> > > looking for someone more...how shall I say it...elite. Yeah,
> that's
> > > it. I want a person in the White House who is much smarter
than
> I
> > am.
> > > And that doesn't raise the bar that high but it does clear the
> Prom
> > > Up-Do'd head of Sarah Palin.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
<shempmcgurk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
<jstein@>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
> > > > <shempmcgurk@>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sarah Palin believing that dinosaurs roamed the earth
> with
> > > > humans
> > > > > > > 4,000 years ago (or whatever it is that she allegedly
> > believes
> > > > that
> > > > > > > everyone is up in arms about)...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...or...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Believing that Jesus dying and being tortured on a
wooden
> > > > > > > cross will wash away all your sins -- past, present, and
> > > > > > > future?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I find the latter "claim" much more absurd, frightening,
> > > > > > > and indicative of mental illness than the former.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And yet Barack Obama -- who, being a Christian, as he'll
> > > > > > > readily admit -- must necessarily subscribe to the
latter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Judy already nailed this but that wont stop me.
> > > > >
> > > > > The confusion you are expressing about different areas of
> > knowledge
> > > > > Shemp, is precisely why George Bush and God forbid Sarah
> Palin
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > White House causes so much trouble for the advancement of
> > scientific
> > > > > understanding of our lives. Thinking that the theory of
> > evolution
> > > > and
> > > > > mythology from an "old book" are on an epistemological par
> > causes
> > > > > people in power to disregard the principles of science that
> > help it
> > > > > transcend our tendency for intellectual delusions. Bush
> > politicized
> > > > > science. It has hurt our country and mankind's growth of
> > knowledge.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The only possible thing you can be referring to here, Curtis,
> is
> > the
> > > > Bush policy on stem-cell research, 'cause that's pretty much
> the
> > only
> > > > thing Bush has put the Kabosh on in the area of science.
> > > >
> > > > And all that policy says is that the federal government won't
> > give
> > > > research money to any firm that engages in this practise.
> > > >
> > > > But that doesn't stop you, me, or anyone else from today
> opening
> > up a
> > > > research lab and doing any and all experiments on stem-
> cells...we
> > > > just won't get money from the federal government. Indeed, if
> > we're
> > > > in CAlifornia and do that, Arnold and company will instead
give
> > us
> > > > billions.
> > > >
> > > > So how is that hurting our country and mankind's growth of
> > > > knowledge? Go ahead and work on stem-cell research; nothing
is
> > > > stopping you.
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps I am wrong in assuming that stem-cell policy is
what
> > you
> > > > are referring to.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps it is something else.
> > > >
> > > > Like AIDS research? AIDS funding for the Third World?
> > > >
> > > > Well, I assume that that must be what you mean because you
make
> > > > reference to "hurting the world and mankind's growth of
> > knowledge"
> > > > and since AIDS is the world's leading scientific "problem"
> after
> > the
> > > > imagined global warming crisis, this is a good candidate for
> what
> > you
> > > > are referring to.
> > > >
> > > > Be that as it may, Curtis, you should be aware that George
Bush
> > leads
> > > > the world in supporting and providing funds for both AIDS
> > research
> > > > and providing monies to the Third World to combat AIDS. And
he
> > has
> > > > far surpassed Clinton in doing it and that's why people like
> > Sonny
> > > > Bono praise him for this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I couldn't care less what wacky shit my president believes
> > about
> > > > what
> > > > > happens after he dies. I am at peace with the idea that
> people
> > much
> > > > > more brilliant than I am may believe things that I consider
> > > > fantasy.
> > > > >
> > > > > But if they can't articulate why it is wrong to teach
> > creationism
> > > > > alongside evolution in science class, and not say as George
> > Bush has
> > > > > that he wants all the points of view to be taught so people
> can
> > make
> > > > > up their own minds, then they have no place governing our
> > country at
> > > > > this critical time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Palin furthered our understanding about how her scientific
> mind
> > > > works
> > > > > by twice asserting that she wasn't interested in discussing
> the
> > > > causes
> > > > > of global warming, just git'n in thar an fix'n it all up.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Palin's Joe Six Pack goes to the doctor:
> > > > > "Dr. give me a whole bunch of pills cuz I've got a disease
> but
> > I
> > > > don't
> > > > > want to get into a discussion of what is causing it."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The difference is that there's very strong evidence
> > > > > > *against* the former--meaning that someone who believes
> > > > > > in the dinosaur theory has little respect for science--
> > > > > > but none at all either for OR against the latter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Plus which, having your sins forgiven makes a
> > > > > > difference only after you die.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To my mind, if one believes in an afterlife that may
> > > > > > be either heavenly or hellish, depending on whether
> > > > > > one's sins have been forgiven, it's psychologically
> > > > > > a lot healthier during one's life on earth to believe
> > > > > > one is going to go to heaven when one dies than to
> > > > > > fear that one is going to hell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are different opinions within Christianity as
> > > > > > to whether one can "lose" one's salvation. The "once
> > > > > > saved, always saved" belief is more characteristic of
> > > > > > fundamentalism; that's probably what Palin believes,
> > > > > > but I suspect Obama doesn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > And, hell, for
> > > > > > > all we know he subscribes to the dinosaur theory as
well!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More likely, Palin believes *both* that she cannot
> > > > > > lose her salvation *and* that dinosaurs and humans
> > > > > > were contemporaneous, whereas Obama believes neither.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
