--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "claudiouk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maybe this has come up before in FFL, but if upon enlightenment there > is consciousness (transcendental) and relative experience, and the > consciousness is infinite value and experience point value, I find it > odd that the two remain correlated via the ONE body. > > Take an actor having overall awareness (infinite value) and he acts > three characters in a play (point value). Speaking as each character > in turn he operates within the limitations their respective "egos" - > but as the only "reality" the actor knows exactly what these egos > perceive and can or cannot say or do. Whereas, returning to > Consciousness, in the case of someone claiming enlightenment, there > seems to be only knowledge of the one body and ego that existed prior > to enlightenment. > > Is such enlightenment still "relative" then, and is there another > more profound level to reach in which truly one would experience > everything as the Self, this Self being truly INTIMATELY cognissant > of the egos and bodies of ALL creatures? Because only THEN it becomes > possible to love one's neighbour as one's Self AND have the sense > that a wrong done to another is truly a wrong done to one's "self" as > well. > > In other words, stage 1 enlightenment is the expansion of point to > infinity; stage 2, the linking back of infinity to ALL relative > points, enabling the original point to "know" all other points > intimately, directly.. Does this tally with any scripture, I wonder. >
**** My present understanding of the seemingly complicated phenomenon of consciousness evolution is strongly influenced by spiral dynamics. I also agree with the psychoanalytical understanding that when we use the term I, we actually can be referring to two rather different functions. First is the "I" that represent to us an image of ourselves, kind of who we are. Secondly there is an "I" as an integrating function of our experiencies to a holistic, stable experience of continuity of perceptions and understanding. When this function fails, we fall apart mentally. When people get enlightened or awakened the first "I" as an image of ourselves dissolves at least partly, and that "I" finds itself to be infinite. Then the trying to be somebody ceases, one kind of becomes nobody. And this makes it much easier to accept reality as it is. The fervent need to make it something else or becoming some ideal you have created of yourself ceases or is lesser. And you start to experience much stronger stability amidst the turmoil of life. You are kind of capable of witnessing it. Otherwise the second or organizing "I" remains pretty much the same. But the organizing I evolves also through clear different stages of awareness. Every child goes always through these stages in the same order. You cannot jump over any stage. This evolving of the organizing "I" can happen even in adulthood, even if it is much slower then. Also the different forms of intelligence, such as cognitive, emotional, moral, interpersonal etc can be at quite different stages in a person. E.g. you can be at high level cognitively, but low morally. And people can become enlightened having many kinds of combinations of stages of the organizing "I" in its different lines of intelligence. And how you interpret and describe your enlightenment experience depends largely, in addition to cultural influences, on the stages of organizing "I" you are in. The lower you are the more extravagant those interpretations tend to be. I think there are still a lot of inexperienced stages and possibilities ahead us in the evolution of the organizing "I". In order to evolve to those higher stages I think the awakening of the first "I" to be a prerequisite. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
