--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > .Let's say you expect a friend to come, and you will > > > associate the *feeling* with the present event. But the feeling > will > > > be reminescent of the stress being released according to 2nd day > > > checking. > > > > I remember we were told it *might* pick up the > > feeling, but it might not. > > At your initiation, 2nd day checking? I must tell you that whatever > you are being told is paraphrased. The teacher uses his own words. My > notes say: (translated from german): 'The quality of the stress > determines the quality of thought.' > > Then it gives the example I just had given, of the joy causing a > stress in the past, and how the mind picks up the feeling and > associates it with the coming of a friend. Whatever it associates it > with is not important, obviously, it's arbitrary. > > My course was in July 1977, Avoriaz. I have been to an update 1981, > redoing all the tests. There was no change. > > > This would have been > > in 1975; I wonder if it was changed since your > > TTC. > > > > <snip> > > > Yes, understood. But in Indian terms, getting rid of Samskaras > > > wouldn't necessitate reliving the energy of it. In Indian and I > > guess > > > Buddhist terms, Samskaras are desires or latent impressions giving > > > rise to the desire to reincarnate. Purifying oneself of these > > desires > > > or impressions wouldn't necessitate living through it, not even > > > emotionally or energetically. > > > > Well, but that's pretty much what I remember > > being told in the TM context. > > You mean that you don't have to live through it? Yes and no. Obviously > the feelings you have are not stressed in TM. The problem here is that > TM (like scientology) assumes that the stresses are located > physically. Thats not the same with the samskara theory. Therefore it > assumes that you have to release them one by one, resulting in an > appropriate experience.
My recollection is that more than one stress can be associated with more than one thought/feeling/etc. You sort of will experience them on their way > out. I don't know if this can be said of Samskaras, I think not. > MMY came up with the theory to explain "stress release" during the rest of TM. Some other enlightenment program may or may not involve stress release, eh? > > Not sure what you mean by "phantastic," > > I mean it positive. It serves its purpose towards our attitude towards > thoughts in meditation. It gives you motivation to continue and a > sense of progress, even if you have no special experiences. Thats > positive, as perseverance in practise is looked upon as essential in > all traditions. > > > but I > > don't see how the TM model precludes instant > > enlightenment. > > I didn't say it precludes instant enlightenment. I'd rather say it > excludes it. TM people will not easily accept that it is possible to > get enlightened, simply by making an innner recognition. The idea is > always you have to release all the stresses one by one, and unless you > do that you can't be enlightened. > > > I never thought it did. There's > > more than one way to skin a cat. > > Of course. There are different ways and they aren't mutually exclusive > either. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
