On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:37 PM, sparaig wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote:


On Mar 19, 2009, at 11:24 AM, sparaig wrote:



Shrugs. Its like the researchers that note that "all" meditation
techniques lead to a quieting of the part of hte brain
having to do with self and come up with books discussing it,
while ignoring their own research on TM that counters their
hypothesis.

The question arises: who is making what up?

Well some research builds on good prior research and then moves forward. That's what interests me.



So which is the "redefinition" TM is a rather simple practice
and if it facilitates a specific state as a side-effect, which is
more likely, that the specific state is the "natural" one or
that it is the redefinition?

Since Gaudapada (on the Hindu side of things) practices to cultivate the witness were practiced. It doesn't make sense that these states arise without a method by mistake--and in fact they don't. It's a causal state.



OR its just a sign of "unstressing" manifesting as
extreme tiredness.

I don't buy the unstressing model, I think it's BS.

It's more likely, as Siegel points out in the lecture I recently linked to, a form of imbalance. You can tell if you fell into that imbalance if you're ending up in a DSM-IV type diagnosis since, as he explained, all the states in the DSM-IV are from one of two polarities. You have the hypomanic folks and you have those that get obsessed, stuck in rigidity. What's fascinating to me is is how closely this matches yogic models which were established hundreds and hundreds of years before fMRI or even psychiatry.

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