Since this is my last post for the week, I'm going to kill three of Barry's sad little birds with one stone:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: <snip> > When someone who was clearly intelligent once > throws away all semblance of intelligence to > play cult apologist, that to me is a valuable > "yardstick" of how far gone they are into being > a cultist. Notice a couple of things here. First, neither Barry nor Vaj have managed to address any of the points I've been making to Curtis. Instead, they content themselves with ad hominem (which is, of course, exactly what they always accuse the "apologists" of doing). Second, as far as they're concerned, no alternative view to theirs is permissible, no matter how thoughtfully reasoned, and regardless of their inability to address that reasoning. No "thinking for oneself" is allowed in their world. If one dares to hold a different view from the one they have dictated, that automatically makes one a "cult apologist." That's "creative thinking" for ya. > THAT is the issue I've been seeing in Judy in > this thread. The challenges she sees to her cult > believership in the TM Is Not A Religion Religion > are not JUST intellectual challenges. They are > meanspirited challenges, challenges made with > evil intent, as a kind of personal "attack." Barry does a little more "creative thinking" so as to miss my point. As I said earlier, it seems to me that the arguments against teaching TM (minus SCI) in schools are so exaggerated and artificial, so fundamentally unreasonable, that there has to be something else behind them, conscious or otherwise. It's not the disagreement per se but the quality of the arguments, their mountain-out-of-a-molehill character. I never said or suggested that Curtis's challenges were "mean-spirited." Barry made that up (more "creative thinking"). I don't believe that. I do think they may be colored by residual resentment of which he's most likely not even aware. Knapp's challenges, in contrast, *are* mean- spirited, fueled by a conscious desire to see the TMO defeated (and in the process to enhance his counseling practice). Finally, notice that while (falsely) suggesting that I can't see that challenges to my take on TM are intellectually based, Barry refuses to see my views as intellectually based; as far as he's concerned, they're just "cult believership." "Creative thinking," big-time. And here's some more: <snip> > Next she's going to be claiming that people who > disagree with her are making Death Threats against > her. That would be the logical next step. Yeah, that was all about TM, wasn't it, Barry? Are there no limits to Barry's "creativity"? >From another post: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > John Knapp's "ugly comment" -- > > "I'd sure be more comfortable if researchers would > > stick to experimenting on monkeys and leave the kids > > alone." > > John Knapp is threatening the lives of monkeys! > > Burn him at the stake! > > :-) > > I just love it when Judy *demonstrates* her > Bad Intent by demonstrating her ability to > read Bad Intent into anything she reads. > > Even the *promoters* of the teach-kids-to- > meditate initiative refer to it as an exper- > iment. But when John Knapp does the same > thing, that is somehow revealing of his > "ugly comment" and his "mask slipping." Do we all really think Barry is *this* stupid? Or do we think he's doing some of his famous "creative writing" because he believes *you* are all stupid? Who are the "monkeys" John was referring to that TM researchers should experiment on rather than kids? And from yet another post: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: <snip> > I have > a very high "failure rate" when trying to > order from Amazon or use their "Look inside > this book" feature. So trying to sell me > better "up time" just isn't going to work. Funny, I order from Amazon and use its "Look inside" feature all the time, and I've never had any problems. It appears that Barry is technically incompetent and just can't figure out how to use either the ordering system or the "Look inside" feature. So he blames it on Amazon's software. <snigger> Over and out... Oh, wait, one more thing, this one nonsnarky: I don't know why it hasn't occurred to me before, but I'd genuinely like to hear from Barry as to how he viewed the purportedly religious nature of TM when he was with the TMO. He's made it clear how allergic he is to any kind of religious thinking these days, and as his comments to Vaj indicate, he's completely convinced TM is a religion. So was he inclined to religious belief when he was a TM teacher but has since lost that inclination? Or did he feel about religion then the way he feels now, and simply found a way not to let the religious component bother him? Or was he not even *aware* of the religious component at the time?
