--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfr...@...> wrote:
> Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of > what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental > check mark of "cultwhipped" in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with > folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience > and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. > > I wanna be like you when I grow up. No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I love's my cynical bastard routine! Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > <I bought a bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of > > place.> > > > > <Snip> > > > > <He did not fit into our culture and he never asked anyone to fit into his.> > > > > The reason you wore a sari was because of his expressed desire to the > > ladies on that course. He shaped every nuance of our lives on that course. > > There was no aspect of our lives that that he didn't comment on, and we > > reacted to immediately. > > > > Maharishi not only asked us to fit into Indian culture, he required it. > > Every single thing he wanted was carried out by all of us down to what we > > ate, what we wore, what we did every second of every day in India. > > > > For you to say he never asked anyone to fit into his culture as an insider, > > to a bunch of us who were there living and dying by every statement and > > announcement from the guy each day of that course is shocking to read. I > > am reminded not only about what a complete control freak the guy was, but > > how willing we are were to fall on our own sword for him rather than let > > the world know what absolute control he had over our lives. > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Post of the month, maybe of the year. Comment below. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. You are probably the only one arising from the rabble of > > > > > FFLife who thinks so. But I'll take the compliment. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM cannot exist without the TMO. Warts and all, it > > > > > > > is the only organization capable of teaching TM so > > > > > > > that it remains TM, a simple mental technique, > > > > > > > rather than some watered down version that loses its > > > > > > > effectiveness. Maharishi's great gift to the world > > > > > > > was a systematic way to allow the mind to transcend. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the foundation of Maharishi's worldwide TMO is > > > > > > > secure enough to endure leadership foibles and > > > > > > > growing pains just as it always has. It will always > > > > > > > have detractors, saints, dummies and TM teachers off > > > > > > > the reservation who will teach, who knows what. > > > > > > > Regardless, the TMO is the only reliable glue that > > > > > > > can hold the teaching of TM together in perpetuity > > > > > > > or at least for a very long time. > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > The argument can certainly be made that the TMO > > > > > > shouldn't be a crusading, messianic organization, > > > > > > but that's how its founder saw it from the very > > > > > > beginning, and there isn't really anything that > > > > > > can be done about it now; it isn't going to change > > > > > > in that regard. > > > > > > > > > > I don't believe Maharishi thought of the TMO as a crusading, > > > > > messianic organization. Certainly, these are loaded words meant to > > > > > malign. But, no. In the early days, it was more like, he had a bunch > > > > > of unkempt hippies on TTC who needed direction, structure, discipline > > > > > and routine, if he hoped to hone their ability to teach with any > > > > > requisite precision. Undoubtedly, discipline and routine will evoke > > > > > rigidity and extremism in extremist personalities, (usually Fascists > > > > > or Communists) but so what. Organizations must remain organized or > > > > > disband. < > > > > > > > > Did you ever spend a lot of time around Maharishi, Raunch? I'm not > > > > asking whether you were in the audience at TTC (come to think of it, > > > > were you ever trained as a teacher?) or an SCI course or > > > > something.....but did you ever work closely with MMY? > > > > > > > > I was always amused when I would get back in the states and hear > > > > meditators complaining about TMO weirdness. It was always "if Maharishi > > > > only knew what was going on, he would fix all of this!" I'd chuckle and > > > > be a good little soldier and keep my mouth shut but the truth, as Rick > > > > or Barry or basically anyone here who ever worked with MMY knows, is > > > > that Maharishi was in on EVERYTHING that went down. He was the ultimate > > > > control freak. > > > > > > > > So you can blame "extremism" on extremist personalities but you better > > > > include Maharishi as the MOST extreme since he was basically at the > > > > heart of everything that went on. > > > > > > > > The rajas....the ridiculous costumes, every bit of weirdness emanating > > > > out of Vlodrop for years was not the work of a few extreme > > > > personalities. It was the work of one extreme personality. The > > > > underlings just execute the will of the master. > > > > > > > > Maharishi as the leader and full architect of a crusading, messianic > > > > organization? You better believe it! > > > > > > > > > > Just as Judy says, this point is arguable. I was on the PAC Pal Vedic > > > Atom. We spent four months with Maharishi in India 1980-81 and saw him > > > just about every day, morning and evening. Images and events about that > > > experience remain clearly engraved in memory. Talk about culture shock. > > > India...there is no place like it on earth, so strange and beautiful. > > > Straight away, I felt out of place wearing western clothes. I bought a > > > bunch of saris and that is all I wore, and still I felt out of place. It > > > was like wearing clothes that belonged to someone else. I felt clumsy and > > > awkward. I constantly stepped or tripped on the hem or had difficulty > > > with the end piece that was supposed to remain gracefully draped over my > > > shoulder. My incredibly delicate shoulder drapery often found its way > > > into my food. Try as I may I could never have fit into an Indian culture > > > in a million years. > > > > > > Maharishi is a product of his culture and he was true to it. We could not > > > have expected anything otherwise. He did not fit into our culture and he > > > never asked anyone to fit into his. Whether he wanted to weigh Tony in > > > gold or have men wearing golden tiaras and tutus, it doesn't matter one > > > whit in the larger scheme of things. The only thing he ever wanted from > > > us as teachers was to teach TM as he instructed through the TMO. The TMO > > > is not a messianic organization. Rather, it is a product of Maharishi's > > > good sense and planning, interleaved and inseparable from his unique > > > culture. > > > > > > Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality of > what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a mental > check mark of "cultwhipped" in the Raunch column. There's no reasoning with > folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for your amazing patience > and ability to attempt reason when the chances of understanding are nil. > > I wanna be like you when I grow up. >
