--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > Well put Curtis. Raunch's comments are so out of touch with the reality > > > > of what happened that I just throw my hands up and move on, putting a > > > > mental check mark of "cultwhipped" in the Raunch column. There's no > > > > reasoning with folk this far gone IMO but I give you huge credit for > > > > your amazing patience and ability to attempt reason when the chances of > > > > understanding are nil. > > > > > > > > I wanna be like you when I grow up. > > > > > > > > > No virtue here Geezer, I like Raunchy. She expresses the kind of heart > > > that I relate to and seems to care about people's feelings in her posts. > > > Plus without her willingness to write in detail about movement beliefs I > > > wouldn't have the opportunities to run my cynical bastard routine! And I > > > love's my cynical bastard routine! > > > > > > Thanks for the CD plug brother. I heading over to Florence for two weeks > > > starting Tuesday to do a little busking and hopefully see the insides of > > > more churches than Italian jails! A little Delta by the Duomo! > > > > > > > > > > Right, whether we choose cynicism or idealism, it is still a choice. It's > > interesting that cynicism is just as invested in crushing idealism as the > > idealist is in ignoring the hysteria underlying the cautions of the cynic. > > "Ha Ha if you believe THAT, then you must think pigs can fly. Sister, you > > are in serious need of cult deprogramming." So certain, the cynic of his > > beliefs, so superior in his wisdom of caution, he never stops to think he > > might be to one in need of deprogramming. > > > > spot on- the cynics are not above the naivete of the idealist, just 180 > degrees opposed. they have exactly same emotional attachment in being rock > solid in their assumptions, and desire to fix the outcome of the object in > question- in this case the practice of TM. > > the cynic and the idealist (or 'TB' and 'anti-TB') are both attempting to do > the same thing, predict the future by eliminating ambiguity, and resist > change. > 2 people each with over 30 yrs experience practicing tm and working within the tmo or living in ffld have a discussion here about their disappointments and dislikes regarding their experiences with the tmo and immediately another person feels the fervent need to come into that discussion and label them "cynics" trying to crush all good and idealism in the world. sorry, that is not a distinction between cynics and idealists, but just a fundamentalist getting pissed off that someone left their sect.
someone who pooh poohs tm because they think MMY laughs funny or because all meditation is flaky is a cynic, not someone sincerely discussing their 30 yrs experience. and someone who gets tired of fake idealistic talk and groupthink in favor of a more real path is still an idealist.
