--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfr...@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii_99@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shukra69" <shukra69@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <babajii_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think > > > > > > > MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal > > > > > > > gratification. If that's what you think, you clearly don't > > > > > > > understand MMY, IMO. MMY was the ultimate and original True > > > > > > > Believer! > > > > > > > > > > > > Personal gratification...interesting concept. If you mean money to > > > > > > buy lots of shit, that doesn't take multi-millions. The > > > > > > motivations for a man to acquire as much as Maharishi did would not > > > > > > be at that level. Donald Trump isn't at that level. The super > > > > > > rich do it for personal reasons. Could be a competitive instinct, > > > > > > that is probably part of why Donald ended up with so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > But for Maharishi I think we need to look to one of his last > > > > > > expressed desires for money from his minions, the erecting > > > > > > (unfortunate choice of words given their phallic shape) of > > > > > > Maharishi towers all over the world. Maharishi was consumed with a > > > > > > desire to be viewed and remembered as the most important man in > > > > > > history. You can spin it any way you want but here are the facts: > > > > > > > > > > > > He died as a multi-millionaire and rather then let history decide > > > > > > his value to the world as with most historically great men, he > > > > > > decided to buy his own monuments to himself, buildings all over the > > > > > > world with his presumptively assumed name on them. You know the > > > > > > name that some random journalist in South India used to describe > > > > > > him that he then decided to make the centerpiece of his personal > > > > > > brand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi. The most important man in all of history. After all, he > > > > > > bought all those buildings and put his name on them to prove it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" > > > > > > > <geezerfreak@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." <wgm4u@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the > > > > > > > > > > one, and love the >>other; or else he will hold to the one, > > > > > > > > > > and despise the other. Ye cannot serve >>God and mammon > > > > > > > > > > [worldly wealth]. > > > > > > > > > > Matthew 6:24 [KJV] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think MMY ever gave a wit about money, personally, > > > > > > > > > hence he would not qualify under your posting...now you and > > > > > > > > > I, well, that's another matter isn't it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you ever work personally with him Billy? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope....met him several times, spoke to him briefly, got an > > > > > > > advanced technique from him while spending time with him in > > > > > > > Mallorca and Italy, and was employed and taught at two TM centers > > > > > > > in the LA area. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, to the point I think it's laughable that people would think > > > > > > > MMY could be consumed with money and/or sex for personal > > > > > > > gratification. If that's what you think, you clearly don't > > > > > > > understand MMY, IMO. MMY was the ultimate and original True > > > > > > > Believer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the beginning of his Spiritual Regeneration Movement, it was > > > > > different. > > > > > Something changed, somewhere along the line... > > > > > Sometime around 1980, the collective consciousness changed... > > > > > John Lennon was no longer with us, and the Reagan Revolution took > > > > > hold. > > > > > Money became the answer to everything. > > > > > The counter-culture movement, had met it's match, as Reagan attempted > > > > > to destroy anything and everything the counter-culture stood for. > > > > > Love and Peace were mocked and ridiculed. > > > > > Then it became like, show me the money... > > > > > > > > > > This played itself out, in a cycle that produced George W. Bush... > > > > > Grind down the people, by judging them by how much they had in their > > > > > bank acct... > > > > > Money suffocates spirit...the spirit of mammon wiped out the > > > > > innocence. > > > > > So, as we all became victimized by the class; I am better than you, > > > > > because I have money and you don't. > > > > > There is no unity, because we are in, and you are out. > > > > > The unity of spirit of people involved and devoted to the movement, > > > > > was compromised, and the movement became an appeal to the elite/money > > > > > changers. > > > > > During this time, in the United States, ghetto life expanded, music > > > > > devolved, simpletons said 'Just say No'...while they flooded the > > > > > country with cocaine. > > > > > Many forces were at play, and might became right... > > > > > The pendulum swung all the way to the right...fascism... > > > > > > > > > > Now, that cycle has ended, and we are headed back to sanity... > > > > > Has the movement moved so far to the right, that it can never return > > > > > to the middle? > > > > > Who knows why it all happened this way... > > > > > It's all connected, and gated communities with fearful people living > > > > > behind walls, locked in their safe little world... > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi polarized with Bush and Doctors, and might makes right, who > > > > > were just in it for the money...seeing in their reflection, the > > > > > absurdity of their ways... > > > > > > > > > > He became enslaved by the bitches that took over the movement. > > > > > R.G. > > > > > > > > > Oh, but he CREATED these "bitches that took over the movement"! Having > > > > worked with MMY I just don't buy the "poor little Maharishi...if he > > > > only knew" bit. > > > agreed > > > $Not to mention how to do you square this with his supposed state of > > > enlightenment? If he's all knowing, all seeing Karnack the Great then > > > how can he be duped by the minions? > > > > > > > > The TMO is a thing wholly created by MMY. If you don't like the TMO > > > > then you don't like him. > > > not so sure about that > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure about not liking Maharishi...I have had a heart connection > > with him; it's not about like... > > I surely don't like so of the leaches that he attracted around him... > > I had heard George Harrison, say the same thing...that the people around > > Maharishi, were just not his type... > > I had the same relationship with my ex-wife...a heart connection... > > I don't much like her anymore, nor the people she hangs around with... > > R.G. > > Robert...this "heart connection" you had with Maharishi. Was it a two way > street, did he reciprocate the love in any kind of personal way? "He gave me > the knowledge" is not what I'm asking here. I'm asking if, like presumably > your ex-wife he showed you personal love. (For you pervs out there I'm not > referring to anything sexual.) > > The reason I ask is because with most gurus it's a one way street. The love > flows in one direction. Again, I recommend the book that Rick first mentioned > here "Cartwheels In A Sari". Forget that it's written by an ex confidant of > Sri Chinmoy. Anyone who was ever around MMY will recognize the similarities. > The heart connection, I felt the first time I saw him, in NYC...just felt a very strong feeling of love emanating from him, and being around him...opened my heart, more than I knew before. I had the feeling of wanting to 'protect him'...
I had such a miserable relationship with my father, whose heart was busted in WWII, that it amazed me, that a male could have the sweetness of heart, that he had, which was new to me. Then there was some time I spent being around him, being on the video crew, during the physics conference at M.I.U. in 1975...he complemented me on my camera work... I am a dancer, and I liked to watch his every move, and how fluid he was, how deep the quality of his voice...how tiny his stature... 5 ft. tall, same as the ex. It was just a cool time, in my life. My ex and I were in charge of the flower arranging, for that visit, and the whole experience was just way cool. This is well before the money thing took over...and, I was young and innocent then. In 1979, when he visited, when the dome was being constructed, I was out at the airport...I was standing by the airplane he was getting on, There by myself, was a quiet interaction, with him, and as he was leaving... He seemed to have zapped me with some kind of energy, and I felt a great closeness and expansion...as the plane soared off. I just enjoyed being in his presence...felt like it was a powerful technique, in and of itself, being in his Darshan, listening to his voice, watching his movements, I just felt very bonded with him... I guess he must have been effected by the rejection of his teaching, by the court case, and this was one turning point...when Jerry and Charlie left, and Bevan and Co. took over. Another turning point, was probably the notion, that he was being targeted by the CIA, or whatever happened to him, when he got sick in England... He probably retreated more and more, away from public view, in order to save himself, from being harmed. I had heard in a reading, that some of the people who were especially enamored with him... That some of us had been with him, in a previous life, when he had been martyred, and there was some kind of bond formed that transcended any kind of rational, intellectual notion... It was completely on the level of feeling, on the level of heart. I always felt, when he was visiting Fairfield, that the whole atmosphere would change, and that after he left, it would return to the normalcy of the mundane. When the visits stopped, and replaced by pictures of him, plastered everywhere, it was never the same... Egos, took over...the experience of Unity would fade, and it became a plastic fantastic, but not so real...but a very empty void would be left. I don't remember any time, since the 70's, when there was quite as sweet an atmosphere on campus, All of that turned sour, with the paranoid nazi types took over, and proceeded squashing anything that seemed real or spontaneous. R.G.
