--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" <geezerfr...@...> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "guyfawkes91" <guyfawkes91@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I see it as a race against time and betting on creating a higher level of
> > > consciousness through current work (pundits, yagyas, groups, etc.,)so
> > > that people will be attracted to TM - though this last point will be like
> > > a red flag to a bull for some here on FFL.
> > >
> > > If the number of people in the TMO continues to decline through age/death
> > > etc., and there are no new people coming in, money/buildings and so on
> > > will not work.
> > >
> > > When I was still aligned with TMO, even in early 90's it was clear to me
> > > from friends who worked closer to the inner circle than me (not
> > > difficult), MMY clearly stated to his inner circle that he realized that
> > > he was not going to achieve what he had intended in his lifetime ("in
> > > this generation").
> > >
> > > Science
> > >
> >
> > It's quite sad really. It's a hail mary pass with nearly zero chance of
> > success. I can see that the general idea is that people inside the TMO
> > think the reason people outside aren't attracted to learn TM is because of
> > lack of "coherence" in collective consciousness. So the reasoning goes that
> > by doing yagyas and creating large groups of flyers more people will be
> > attracted. It allows the idea to develop that because there's going to be a
> > phase transition and suddenly everyone will bow down to the almighty Rajas
> > that it's OK to piss people off and flush all the goodwill down the toilet
> > because new goodwill will be generated "after the phase transition".
> >
> > What's happened, and to an extent is still happening, is that the real
> > value, the human resources and general goodwill is being run down and
> > replaced with fantasy value in the form of buildings and land. For an
> > organization that wants to get its idea across, buildings and land have
> > very little value compared with credibility and goodwill in the world. You
> > can easily convert goodwill into property, but it's hard to go the other
> > way.
> >
> > But of course we know that the reality is that loads of people would learn
> > TM anyway if only the price was right, teachers could earn a living and the
> > people in the TMO didn't behave like a lot of idiots. TM on it's own is
> > very good, most people get some benefit and a lot are willing to encourage
> > others. The fact that people who leave the official movement and teach
> > independently have no problem attracting customers is an irritant in more
> > ways than one. Firstly it's irritating because the TMO doesn't get the
> > money, but mostly it's irritating because it shows up the TMO and makes
> > people inside the TMO start to doubt the overall strategy and think that
> > maybe, just maybe the reason more people aren't learning TM isn't because
> > of lack of coherence, maybe they're doing something wrong (duhhhhhhh!).
> > We're dealing with very slow learners here.
> >
> > At some point the slow learners might realize that charging very high
> > prices, taking all the profit away from the teachers, dressing up as kings
> > and living in a fantasy world might not be the best way to attract lots of
> > people. Some cracks are starting to appear and reality is starting to dawn,
> > but it's like dealing with a mental patient who's coming out of a very
> > florid psychosis or someone coming down from a very intense acid trip in
> > which they've lost the plot. There's a growing half recognized feeling that
> > things which they believed to be true, aren't actually true, but insight
> > into their condition hasn't yet broken through.
> >
> > Currently the donations from wealthy people are supporting the
> > delusionists. The DLF makes it look like if only some money could be got
> > together for one last push then everything would come out right. In 5 to 10
> > years time that idea will be wearing a bit thin.
> >
> > Eventually people might realize that the reason Maharishi couldn't achieve
> > what he wanted "in this generation" wasn't lack of coherence, but simple
> > stupidity and delusional thinking. If the TMO hadn't gone off into a
> > fantasy world but had stayed engaged with reality and stayed focused on
> > just teaching TM, then the situation would be a lot brighter than it is.
> >
> > At that point, the fact that all the real wealth, in the form of intangible
> > goodwill has been sucked out of the movement over the last 30 years to
> > support plans that haven't worked is going to be a very hard idea to get to
> > grips with. All those buildings and property assets that Maharishi put his
> > faith in will be seen as worthless when there's no one to fill them or make
> > use of them. It will take time, but that awful realization will come, and
> > then the movement will have a chance again to grow.
> >
> > What would help people get out of their delusions is if they could see the
> > full extent of all the dubious business dealings that have gone on in the
> > last 20 years. There are very good reasons why Bevan refuses to publish a
> > full independent audit of the entire global operation. Like you say the
> > full extent of the property assets will not become generally known. Which
> > is why people should try to piece together a full picture from whatever
> > scraps are available. If people at the top of the organization want to keep
> > people away from finding out about the finances then that's a good reason
> > to find out as much as possible.
> >
> > It's not hard to begin to get a rough idea from published accounts that are
> > available online. The tricky bit is finding out about the finances of the
> > Indian movement so cash flows can be matched up. Also all the property
> > deals in foreign places need tracing. Where could we start?
> >
>
> Very well put! The first step, as I've said many times, is to follow the
> money honey! Find out where all the money is going, where it has gone.
> (space snip)
Sorry, the divorce is final...the money is gone...but it's not about money...
Don't ya git it.
It's not about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$...
It's about creating an atomosphere of love, or whatever you want to call it...
People have the money.
It's not about the money.
Repeat after me: 'It's not about the money!'
R.g.
> I really have nothing against the technique itself, never have. I still
> practice TM every morning for 1/2 hour. I do it for one reason and one reason
> only. It feels good. I like how I feel afterwards when I read the paper,
> listen to Mahler and have a tall latte. If it ever feels bad I'll stop. No
> more "something good" is happening for me. If it feels good, it is good (for
> me anyway.)
>
> I've been mildly curious about other practices through the years, but never
> enough to jump back in again and devote myself to a new spiritual bus.
>
> I'm also curious about the true source of the technique of using these
> particular bija mantras in this way. I would like to think that it was there
> long before MMY. But I've heard evidence that this was something Maharishi
> cooked up in 1954. Perhaps Paul's bio on Guru Dev will shed light but nothing
> I've seen indicates that Guru Dev was teaching this technique using these
> bija mantras. Ever wonder why the TMO let out almost NO information about
> Guru Dev and what he actually thought? Didn't that strike any of you as a bit
> strange?
>
> The TMO became a rotted farce of the original intention long ago. My personal
> curiosity in the TMO history at this point revolves around when MMY reached
> the tipping point between the original goal and the money/power/influence
> goal that ruined the modern day movement.
>
> I wonder....was he at one point very early on genuinely what he said he
> was...meaning a humble teacher? Reading Beacon Light of the Himalayas is
> thought provoking. He had not yet taken the name "Maharishi". (That name was
> there in waiting but he was still calling himself Bala Bramachari Mahesh in
> 1955.) It appears that he was giving out the technique (and a few others) for
> free at the time.
>
> On the other hand, it was clear that he had already begun the practice of
> cozying up to the wealthy and influential, to get everything he could get off
> of them, based on all of the testimonials in that book.
>
> I really do wonder at what point he said "screw it, I'm going to grab all the
> power, money and influence I can get, by whatever means."
>
> That he, in fact did do this, is utterly obvious to me. In latter years he
> didn't even try to hide it. He put it out there for all to see.
>
> I also wonder what Guru Dev would have made of all of this. I know we hold
> Guru Dev on the highest pedestal. I do too, but at the same time I have to
> acknowledge that it's all based on stories and legend from long ago. (I'm
> truly looking forward to Paul's upcoming three part bio!)
>
> I know it's possible that some inner circle disciple might have other tales
> to tell about Guru Dev. But it's striking that in all of these years since
> his death in 1953 nothing untoward about Guru Dev has ever come to light, not
> that I'm aware of at least. That's kind of remarkable when you think about it!
>
> I would love to know what Guru Dev would have to say about how MMY handled
> his movement. I believe he would have been absolutely appalled at what MMY
> did in his name! Based on everything we know about Guru Dev, he would have
> taken a VERY dim view of hustling the wealthy for money in the name of
> spirituality.
>
> I imagine him wanting to kick Mahesh's ass all the way back to the cave....
>
