--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_re...@...> wrote: > > I have yet to see Judy explain what she'd do as president that wouldn't be > subject to the gut-wrenching onus of picking of one's battles and doing > triage. >
Edg, Thanks for posting this. At long last, you are the first person on FFLife willing to discuss political issues that should matter to people of good conscience instead of flinging crap, which I have have no problem indulging in if the crap hits me first. > Obama has not finished even his second 100 days, and he's being judged for > having a "failed presidency," because he's not moved forward on several very > important issues. > Wrong. No one has ever said Obama has a failed presidency, just that the issues he has already moved on do not indicate the direction of "changing the politics of Washington" as he promised. > Yet, we don't see Judy explaining to anyone how it could be done otherwise > when one considers the huge momentum that the various forces-arrayed > represent. Try to stomp the military industrial complex -- get real. It'll > be a decade long steady push that solves that ill -- not some swift Gordian > Knot cut. > I agree with you on this point in principle, but the polices he has implemented thus far do not indicate he is interested in cutting the Gordian Knot. If you could cite a specific instance for discussion, I would be interested in talking about it. Here's one knot to unravel on a related topic: Why does the Obama administration continue to use a notorious military police unit at Guantanamo that regularly brutalizes unarmed prisoners, including gang-beating them, breaking their bones, gouging their eyes and dousing them with chemicals?" http://i1.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/jeremy_scahill_little_known_military_thug > Where's your patience, your faith, etc.? > Patience is to virtue as Obama is to politician. The former I trust, the latter I don't no matter who it is. > And note that, if I wanted to, I could really rail against Obama's selling > out and that our military is still killing and torturing innocents, etc. Or, > say, his lack of pushing for single-payer I find to be a bowing to BigPharm > and BigInsurance, yet I can see that he's dealing with the devil and trying > to cobble together a health package that doesn't kill these big industries > with their tens of thousands of employees "overnight." He's trying to keep > people's jobs, ya see? > Point well taken. But one must remember that Obama stated that we could implement single payer health care once the Democrats controlled both houses and the presidency. Well the conditions have been met and now a fair question is: Was he saying that pandering for votes knowing full well he could not keep his promise? > Triage ain't easy, right? > > Bush got into office by theft, and I see Judy's issue that Obama manipulated > the election process, but let's put that aside and deal with the fact that we > have a good hearted man who is deeply aware of history and who's trying to > clean up not just Bush's mess but Bill's and many other messes -- including > the messes of the Dems' many pork barrelings and suck-jobs on the military's > cock. In fact, Obama may have his sights on changing the country's whole > roster of mistakes, but he knows he can't just run full speed at such a mass > and expect it to be moved much. > Point taken. > Give him more time -- we all bit our tongues and tried to keep the issues of > Bush on the front burner while we let the issue of his theft of the > presidency be put aside so that the headlines pertained to issues that > mattered now now now. Just so, let's keep the pressure on Obama, but have > some fucking faith in this guy's intent, will ya? > Agreed. Keep the pressure on but keep in mind that the best intentions...etc. > Edg > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > Zinger again! Judy, this post and your previous post for Sal was just too > > easy. You would think the fish in the barrel would at least put up a fight > > and make things more interesting around here by at least offering a fact > > based discussion about Obama messing with their civil liberties. Truth be > > told, not only do they lack the intellectual ability for such a discussion, > > sadly they lack interest as well. Pity, that. It confirms my suspicion > > their allegiance to the cult of personality is more important to them than > > the welfare of our country. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <do.rflex@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > > I'm not here to play fetch-the-answers for your every > > > > > > whine. From what I've read, Obama has given solid, > > > > > > justifiable reasons for the decisions he's made. > > > > > > > > > > Sure. Like what decisions and what solid reasons are > > > > > you talking about? Let's see links supporting your > > > > > claims and we can have a discussion. > > > > > > > > You can find plenty of things to bitch about anyone if > > > > you are motivated primarily by an obnoxious, perpetual > > > > undeniably bitter bias and grudge. > > > > > > Except that it's OBAMA'S SUPPORTERS TOO who are > > > bitching about what he's doing. > > > > > > > I'm not here to play fetch-the-answers for your every > > > > whine. From what I've read, Obama has given solid, > > > > justifiable reasons for the decisions he's made. > > > > > > Apparently do.rkflex has this response on a macro > > > key for whenever he's afraid to participate in an > > > honest discussion. Note that the paragraph above is > > > *exactly* what he said, verbatim, in his earlier > > > post (quoted at the top). Wouldn't you think he'd be > > > embarrassed? > > > > > > The fact is that do.rkflex has nothing to say, not > > > just in this context but in virtuall any other that > > > comes up here. If he can't cut and paste, he's at a > > > complete loss. And he can't even cut and paste when > > > he's challenged. > > > > > >
