On Dec 14, 2009, at 3:34 PM, WillyTex wrote:

> 
> 
> > > The Kalachakra Tantra (Wheel of Time) is a Buddhist
> > > work, not Hindu. Kalachakri is a yidam of Kalachakra
> > > in Vajrayana Buddhism - there is no 'Yab-Yum' in
> > > Hindu iconography.
> > >
> Vaj wrote:
> > There's both a pre-Buddhist (Hindu) Kalachakra and a 
> > Buddhist one...
> >
> There are no pre-Buddhist Kalachakras in India and no 
> Yab-Yum iconography in Hindu tantra. Obviously, the 
> Kalachakra Tantra is an invention of Vajrayana Buddhism, 
> which before 1947, was not extant in India. Kalachakra
> doctrine is probably a Tibetan invention related to the 
> Shamballa mythology.

Sorry Willy, there was and still is a Hindu kalachakra AND there were yab-yum 
figures in Hindu tantra.

What you perhaps meants to say was "you've never seen them".

> 
> It is a fact that the 'Kalachakra Tantra' was not taught
> by the historical Buddha (circa 400 BC). 'Shiva' and 
> 'Shakti' are not historical people. 

Is it a fact?

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