--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony...@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" <richardhughes103@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Passed along from Marek, who discovered it, a neat > > > > > video in which Richard Feynman, Carl Sagan, S. James > > > > > Gates, Jr., and Freeman Dyson discuss the very thing > > > > > I was trying to get at in my reply to Doug this > > > > > morning. What is it we "know?" What is it we even > > > > > *can* "know?" > > > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbtgNTmNuIw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is fine as wishy-washy conjecture, but known is our experience > > > > when we have it and that spiritual experience can be very clear for > > > > what it is. Spiritual experience, when you have it, that is fact at > > > > that time. Not clear & you don't really know, then there likely is > > > > just some un-stressing going on and more cultivation is needed and some > > > > more to come to know by experience about it. Steps of spiritual > > > > progress through knowledge and experience of where and how to look. A > > > > good teacher and textbook evidently can be helpful along the way. > > > > > > > > The extraordinary modern progression of things human though is that the > > > > physiological correlates of spiritual experience can now be pointed at > > > > too. But further, that there is and has been experience that comes > > > > from collective spiritual practice just as real to those who do it. > > > > And so too that science with it. That there is an evident collective > > > > value to cultivating spiritual experience. That there is a difference > > > > between meditators and non-meditators by experience and evident > > > > science. Just is. Is not elitist, just fact. The modern policy > > > > implication: Meditate you sinners, it may take some discipline! The > > > > world evidently will be a better place as you come to it. > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > -D > > > > > > > > > > Om Come all ye 'Followers of Science', > > > > > > I. > > > > > > These portending global changes may well come to pass in the daily and > > > ongoing passage of those 50 full coal trains passing through Fairfield. > > > Daily heading to power plants east; but, these pundits and a Fairfield > > > meditating community may represent a last great antidote to a vapid and > > > ostentatious materialism that hath spun this global change. For, is both > > > meditation and science now shouting, "Repent your ignorant sinful > > > spending". > > > > > > In the pundit project and in a disciplined meditating are the bold and > > > far-seeing spiritual works of the fight for global climate. Come join > > > the fight. Come back to meditation for your selves, your friends, your > > > family and a future humanity. Come to action, in meditation. > > > > You might be better off de-railing the trains Doug. Just a thought. > > > > No, the science clearly says we need more people giving their lives to > meditation, but the kind of terrorism you are advocating here would only be > dealing with the problem on the level of the problem.
True, but at least it would actually work. You'd be in league with the mis-guided spirituality of a shoe- or undi-bomber. The underlying missing element of the human problem is deeply spiritual, is the lack of transcendental experience. The conclusion is evident. Fight terrorism with meditation. You're either with us in meditation or against us all. > > -D in FF > > Fight terrorism with meditation. If you can get the terrorists to meditate you might be onto something. Until then......
