--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jst...@...> wrote: >
> > > > Certainly not, and why ? Because LD is childrens play; > > it's fun but there is no practical use for it whatsoever, > > it's not even a platform for a descent astral travel. > > I've often wondered whether lucid dreaming has been > mistaken for witnessing dreaming in some spiritual > circles that teach it as a technique. Quite true. > > As Barry points out, they're very different phenomena, > but if you haven't experienced both, you might not > realize this from the descriptions. You might think > you were learning something that was helping develop > your consciousness, since enlightened people do talk > about "being awake" in their dreams. Couldn't agree more. > > So it would be a combination of confusing two phenomena > and confusing cause with effect. And Barry's right, > there can be a feeling of "liberation" when a dream > becomes lucid, which could add to the confusion. Barry the Turq confused ? You must be joking ! > > I wonder if it's possible to witness a lucid dream, or > whether the two are somehow incompatible. These are two different fields altogether. LD is just a simple game for children. Witnessing which has nothing to do with LD, is when you are awake during the most intense tamas of deep sleep; nothing else is there whatsoever yet you are awake. And prior to that; witnessing the silence of the Self as separate from activity of the self/body/ego and surroundings. If LD is a way of altering consciousness as the Turq seems to suggest in his naive way; please let him try to alter or enter witnessing the waking state. That would make him permanently independent of any drug or plant anywhere and secure him a permanent adress in a mental hospital. Yogis and some Shamans can do that. Perhaps even a Lama here or there. Amateurs like the Turq will go crazy. Barry won't and he can't. He has been too preoccupied with having "Fun". He preffers his childs games with lucid dreaming. He is more than happy living in a fantasy-world where the self is the same as the Self and for decades unstressing on the only Master that tought him otherwise.
