--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifux...@...> wrote: > > Now wait a minute! We're talking about (what I've observed to be) a nearly > universal phenomenon. The word "promise" is a bit strong, and not mentioned > in the flyer. Can't remember the exact words, but the message was more of an > expectation.
It was something like "a vision of possibilities for the students of the world" or "an invitation to the students of the world" then "cosmic consciousness in 5 years" I don't recall there was a 7 -- that come a few years later when people began reaching their 5th year. But its been a while. (Like they say, "If you remember the 60's you weren't there" And my flyer was black and white, but high quality printing (not a Quick copy thing) But what's the problem? So what. > The phenomenon I'm talking about mentioned in a previous post, is that > various teachers expect others do perform the same as them, as to the degree > of effort and time. I see this in the statements of many other Gurus; to > give you an example, the Sant Mat Gurus. > Most of those Gurus have said it's "easy" to attain the Sant Mat goal. Yea, > for them maybe. Most people in Sant Mat spend decades meditating and have > little to show for it. > Take Kirpal Singh, his Son Darshan Singh, and his Son Rajinder Singh. Even > before knowing about Sawan Singh, Kirpal had spontaneous experiences of > "going into Samadhi", traveling out of his body, and seeing the Radiant form > of Sawan (without knowing who he was). Later in his travels, he met Sawan, > who stated something "I've been expecting you". > Sure...a goal is "easy" if you're already 99.99% there. Similarly with > Darshan Singh, who had Sawan and his Father Kirpal as Gurus and from an early > age was initiated into the 5 Names (the Sant Mat practice). Then from the > very first mediation, he's travelout out of his body and listening to > Celestial Music of the Spheres. > So both Kirpal and Darshan go around saying the goal is easily > attained!...Sure, for them! > Then, the present Guru in that lineage, Rajinder Singh (Son of Darshan); also > says the goal is easily accomplished and it shouldn't take more than a few > weeks to learn it. > But nothing is promised by such Gurus, just an expectation. > Similarly, Jerry never used the word promise; but it appears that based on > his experience of 5 years, he felt others could accomplish the same task. > Let's stick to the facts. There was no "promise". It was an estimate of how > long it would take, based on Jerry's own direct experience. > So what difference does it make? This is just normal human behavior. This > isn't a lesson in historical nitpicking. It's a question of common behavior > among Gurus; and points to the lesson of being flexible when hearing claims > of Gurus. There are big differences when it comes to the "level" of > attainment of people. Some are already 99% there and don't need much of a > boost. > Another case: HWL Poonja. He was an advanced Krishna-Bhakti Yogi in his > previous incarnation (he said...quoted in the Godman book); so in his present > (until dying in the 90's) incarnation, he was already 99% toward complete > Self-Realization. > He meets up with Ramana Maharshi and after a few minutes of a heavy dose of > Shakti and a few words from Ramana, he sinks into Self-Realization on the > very spot he stood. > And then he goes around telling his followers they don't need any Sadhana, no > effort at all: just accept the fact that you're already the Self. > So what would one expect?...that he teach Kundalini Yoga, Tantricism, or TM? > No. Just give up all techniques, all effort, and that's it. > ... > What people teach tends to be a mimicked reflection of their own experiences. > Could we expect otherwise? > So, it would be natural for Jerry to have written the flyer, mentioning 5-7 > years (given his experience of 5); as a reasonable expectation with no > promises. > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" <willytex@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nope, the flyer was real. Though I no longer have a copy, > > > > it was definitely real. Can anybody corroborate this? > > > > > > Rick Archer: > > > I can. I passed out thousands of them. It was a small, > > > green flyer. > > > > > Maybe so, I would not be surprised at anything they do at MUM, > > but Jerry would not have approved if he had stayed around. > > Only an idiot, trying to sell snake oil, would be so stupid as > > to 'promise' anyone they were going to be enlightened! > > > > Jerry was very opposed to making promises about enlightenment. > > > > I've got hours and hours of Maharishi speaking on tape, from > > SCI, and there's nothing on them about making any promises like > > that. On one tape, 'A Promise for the Family of Man', which I > > recorded in Houston, the Maharishi doesn't say anything about > > 'promising CC in 5-7 years'. > > > > Now, you would think that, in a speech about promises, the > > Maharishi would have mentioned a promise like that, instead > > of sending out some dope to pass out, and tack up, little > > green fliers, would you not? > > >
