Oh this is precious:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > yifuxero > > I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself the shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing full well that that simply wouldn't happen. Oh this is precious. This is what is called in the business, being 'yeller" You issued a challenge. The challenge was met. Now, YOU are being the courageous one by backing down? Edg, please, please don't insult us to this extent. > Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe he deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and his continuing support of it? I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up the phone, right? He could've answered me...."doesn't do email" -- what a fucking lame assed excuse. Edg, you are just ramping up the name calling to try to throw us off the trail. Ain't gonna work. You issued a challenge along certain lines. It was met. You, YOU were the one who couldn't be stand up enough to follow through. > > It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove himself a person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that he's so ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be handled. This isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole generations of the faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden at any cost from us. Edg, we can take care of ourselves. We don't need Uncle Edg as our self appointed protector. Just own up to your own committments. That's a great start. > > And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us? Fuck that shit! Poor Edg. Just coming apart at the seams, cause someones calling him on his bluster. > > Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly instead of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some desperate and obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long ago. > > By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've found at the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof do we need of the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering and shaky about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement? > > I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful guru, and it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool. Pissed at myself, firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and Jerry too. > > Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and the actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the immorality of B and H as they maraud the marriages. Edg you will always raise the bar of what amends need to be made. Just make some kind of peace with yourself. > > And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect this old codger. Doesn't seem like the 5 - 8 years concepts fulfilled itself for you, or are you able to hover and I missed that somehow? > > And who the fuck lives in St. Paul that he has to go up there instead of the ONE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHERE HE'S GOT A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE? Even Charlie did lectures in Iowa City. Seems either stupid or cowardly and probably is both. > > Same deal with Mother Divine and Purusha not being in FF -- it's fucking classism and a lording over the faithful to snub the one town that made their lifestyle possible. > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" yifuxero@ wrote: > > > > right....but he rarely answers by mail. (re: the letter you sent to him). He offered you to call him on the phone but you chickened out. But don't get me wrong, that's not a criticism of you. He can be a fast talker, very persuasive but duped by some of the TM-related fantasies; and tends to comandeer the conversation. Then, coupled with a huge amount of Shakti, the chance that the type of dynamic and (sometimes) constructive dialog that takes place on this Forum will occur is unlikely. > > However, such pov's are consistent with the latest research into what people think may or should be reasonable arguments. The fact is, established pov's backed by emotional investments will almost always trump pure reason. > > As a typical example, try "reasoning" with a Mormon TB. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money -- they think they and only they are the proper custodians of their "stuff." > > > > > > Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate. TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their positions of power. TM, as if, should be "decriminalized -- not legalized." > > > > > > Tell "dem bums" to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the domes, let L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc. > > > > > > But most of all, stop pretending that TM was/is "proved" or "scientific" or "guaranteed to produce enlightenment." These "pretty much 100% incorrect" assertions are the reason 99.99% of all of us stopped TM or at least stopped thinking the movement had leaders with any integrity. > > > > > > And, Rick, rub their noses in that latest book about Maharishi's sex life -- there's a litmus test of sorts. If they're still willing to use any form of coercion on you to change the subject of the conversation or be haughty and pissed, then there's your tell. > > > > > > Then ask about their own private lives and how obviously that modeling is odious and deserves to be addressed in public. If morality is not improved by TM -- obviously it isn't -- then they should be willing to say that in public and admit that they are not paragons of any virtue gained by using TM. > > > > > > And say something like this: "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this course office." > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a letter percolating in the back of my brain which I would send to > > > > Jerry, Bobby Roth, Keith Wallace, and John Hagelin, addressing ways in which > > > > the movement might be transformed and resuscitated, if conservative forces > > > > within it would allow. If I write it, I'll post it here and we can all hash > > > > it out together before I send it. > > > > > > > > > >
