--- On Tue, 8/3/10, emptybill <emptyb...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: emptybill <emptyb...@yahoo.com> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is Enlightened! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 3, 2010, 7:40 PM
You're right. The scam is revealed. Psychologists only do what they do for the money. And the ever expanding list of pathologies is only designed to collect insurance payments. You are so astute! Peter, get real. You're showing your club bias. These ever expanding lists of diagnostic "disorders" serve the billfolds of therapists so they can get insurance reimbursements for their services. If people had to pay out of their pockets then there would be a lot fewer "mentally/emotionally disturbed" people, very few payers and a lot less psychotherapists. Remember the studies which showed that participants in psychotherapy demonstrated no greater adjustment over seven years than most people just trying to "get-by today" for seven years? I should get reimbursements for having to read some of the cry-baby whining complaints posing as monologues here on Fairfield Losers Forum. $150 per "50-minute hour" would do just fine. I'd even give a $35 discount for a fifth of Woodford Reserve, (one bottle/month, one session/month). Of course, I would have to put up with the thera-pee-ists complaining that I was financially undercutting them and the corresponding credential challenges but ... wtf, it is just business. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutp...@...> wrote: > > > > --- On Tue, 8/3/10, PaliGap compost...@... wrote: > > > From: PaliGap compost...@... > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: In Fairfield, Give Peace a chance/Rick is > > Enlightened! > > snip > > > With all the talk here sometimes of "epistemology" I'm > > surprised that "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" is > > getting > > such a free pass (except I think from Mr Tart Brain). > > > > What's *really* going on when someone claims MMY has NPD? > > > > It seems to me that some folks here rightly and regularly > > point to the fallacy in seeking out "confirmations" in > > astrological predictions (as opposed to highlighting the > > failures). But now those SAME folks are asking us to "find > > > > confirmations" in some pseudo-scientific list (the NPD list > > > > for MMY). > > Calling the diagnostic criteria for NPD "pseudo-scientific" is a little > extreme. Sure, a diagnosis of an Axis II disorder (personality disorders) is > a little more subjective than the Axis I disorders (bipolar, major depressive > disorder, anxiety, etc.). And certainly any knowledge, especially a little > bit of it, can be used as a means to simply bolster some conceptual position. > I agree, that simply labeling something doesn't necessarily mean anything for > most people. But for anyone with psychoanalytic training, diagnosing someone > as NPD actually means something beyond a label. It implies a host of > developmental conflicts, defensive structures and interpersonal dynamics. But > if you don't know this, I agree with you, you should just describe what you > experience or call him a poopy pants indicating that you don't like his > behavior and is no longer a member of your tree fort club. > > By the way, I don't see Maharishi as meeting the diagnostic criteria for > meeting a formal diagnosis of NPD. He certainly had strong narcissistic > traits, but this does make him "pathological" as in some existential "truth." > Maharishi was a driven man attempting to accomplish a goal. To achieve any > goal, obviously, you have to be narcissist to a certain degree. > > > > > > > > And why? If you think MMY was unnaturally grandiose, with > > delusions of being the bees knees, why not just SAY so? You > > > > already know it (believe it), so what does calling it NPD > > *do*? > > > > It reminds me of discussions of abortion: If the the foetus > > is > > a person everything else follows: If not, it doesn't. > > > > Did MMY have an over-inflated sense of achievement? If yes, > > go > > to square NPD. If not go to square "highly creative, > > accomplished individual". > > > > Then again some folks here rail against "book learning" and > > > > the appeal to authority that that might seem to imply. But > > > > those same folks seem quite happy to swallow some > > half-baked, > > untestable, misleadingly authorative "list" that is > > supposed > > to define a personality disorder (and what exactly IS that > > > > when it's at home anyway?). At least they do so when it > > suits ;-) > > > > Perhaps books CAN teach us something. I'm thinking Orwell > > and > > Popper. > > > > "We all have personality disorders now" > > http://www.newstatesman.com/200507110021 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
