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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote: > > Some Muslims question mosque near ground zero > By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll, Ap Religion Writer > Wed Aug 18, 6:48 pm ET > > Tawfik Hamid, an Egyptian scholar and reformer who said he was once a > member of a terrorist group, said he had a "conditional objection" to > the proposed Islamic center. > > He said it was not enough for Park51 leaders to call themselves > moderate. Instead, they should "clearly and unambiguously" reject > radicalization by opposing specific extremist practices, such as killing > apostates, stoning women for adultery, calling Jews "pigs and monkeys" > and "declaring war" on non-Muslims who refuse to convert. > > "This, in my view, will be perceived by radicals in Islam as a defeat > for their ideology," said Hamid, senior fellow at the Potomac Institute > for Policy Studies. "They think in a very primitive way. If they see a > mosque near ground zero, this would certainly be perceived as a sign of > victory for al-Qaeda. In the end, they will think, `They are bowing to > us.'" > > BTW ... > > This Islamic Cultural Center will have a mosque after all. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mahavid3h <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > > > > So it might not help me if I proclaim that I'm a Bar Elvis sufi? > > > And if I further state that there is no ilÄh 'cept Elvis you > think > > > they'd still cut my throat? > > > > > > That wouldn't be nice. > > > And I so much want them to like me. > > > > I guess some people wouldn't even enter the Taj Mahal, because it a > muslim building. It's a muslim grave isn't it? Not so dissimilar to a > dargah. What would you say if somebody wanted to build a copy of it near > ground zero? Would you also say its a breeding place for the taliban? > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mahavid3h <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I just have been to India, and am back about one week. I > frequently > > > visit a town which has, as I learned about 50% muslims. At the same > > > time, incidentaly, I have been drawn since a few year to places > called > > > Dargahs, where I had some experiences. These are basically graves, > > > samadhis of sufi saints, and are the main places of sufi worship. > Last > > > time I was there, a friend gave me a copy of this article in the > > > 'outlook' magazine, which I found online here: > > > > > > > > "War On The Kafirs > > > > > > > > The broad Sunni-Shia division does not explain all of it > > > > > > > > *Most Sunnis adhere to the Hanafi school of jurisprudence. Only 5 > per > > > cent of the country's population belongs to the Ahle Hadith sect or > > > Wahabis. > > > > *The Sunnis are subdivided into the Barelvi > > > [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi] and Deobandi[ > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi ] schools of thought > > > > *The Deobandis and Wahabis consider the Barelvis as kafir, because > > > they visit the shrines of saints, offer prayers, believe music, > poetry > > > and dance can lead to god > > > > *Barelvis constitute 60 per cent of the population. Deobandis and > > > Wahabis together account for 20 per cent > > > > *Another 15 per cent are Shias, again considered kafir and > subjected > > > to repeated attacks > > > > *Since 2000, the Sunni-Shia conflict has claimed 5,000 lives > > > > *Others considered kafir are the religious > minoritiesChristians, > > > Ismailis, Hindus, Sikhs, Parsis, Ahmadias, etc, who account for 5 > per > > > cent of the population > > > > *So, 20 per cent of the population effectively considers the > remaining > > > 80 per cent as kafir " > > > > http://outlookindia.com/article.aspx?266157"; > > > > > > > > "However, the adherents of the Deobandi school of thought, to > which > > > the Taliban belongs, are opposed to the idea of Muslims visiting > Sufi > > > shrines and offering prayers, a practice known as piri-faqiri. The > > > Deobandis deem piri-faqiri to be heretical, a gross violation of > Islamic > > > doctrine; ditto mystical dancing. The Deobandis, therefore, consider > the > > > Barelvis as kafir whose neck can be put to sword, no question > asked." > > > > > > > > So 60% of Pakistanis are actually sufi muslims considered > heretical by > > > a minority of 20% of muslim literalists, who actually have a > stronger > > > political voice, and are better organized. (the above article > relates to > > > Pakistan) > > > > > > > > In India about 13,4% are muslims, and out of this 2/3 are > barelvis, > > > sufis > > > > > > > > "An estimated 2/3-rds of the 15 crore Indian Muslim population are > > > believed to be adherents of the Sunni Barelwi school of thought and > > > follow Sufi traditions like dargah visit, music and mysticism.[116] > > > Manzar-e-Islam Bareilly and Al Jamiatul Ashrafia are most famous > > > Seminary of Barelwi Muslims." > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India > > > > > > > > > >
