--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifuxero@...> wrote: > > Rory, you're a Neo-Advaitin flip-flopper. There are 4 choices, if goal is > placed along with the model (goal goes along with effort, sometimes at least) > a. involves a goal with effort > b. doesn't need a goal and is effortless > c. somehow involves both a non-goal and a goal; along with effort and > non-effort. > d. involves effort in terms of practice, (a minimal amount, agreed); but > without a goal.
* * * How about, "none of the above"? You appear to be trying to use your intellect to make distinctions and thereby carve out The Truth. Ultimately it can't be done; the intellect is the wrong "tool" for That. It's too crude to "grasp" the Self, as the Self is subtler than the intellect; is "behind" the intellect. Only the Self remembers and surrenders into the Self; the intellect has to come to see it is not capable of doing the job. The intellect is dual; the truth is not. The intellect believes itself to be bound by space and time, and believes itself to be on a path to somewhere; the truth does not. The intellect is all about cause and effect -- all about Doing, while the truth is all about simply Being. Truth is paradoxical; it's not an either-or proposition. > Your ans uses the word "practice". That involves effort (usually), in the > real world, at least taking the time to medidate on a regular basis. > ... > "No practice" exceptions are rare. > Of course, one can practice without a goal, but some effort goes along with > practice. > http://www.fantasygallery.net/stone/art_5_Lavendar-Fairy-and-Dragon.html > Yes; I probably should have just used the word "Time" or "Grace" or "Attention-flow". Really; it is the latter: Simply simple Attention-flow, from the Self to the Self. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > Agreed - But IMHO great effort is needed to realize the futility of the > > > goal, to be effortless and utterly relaxed. Otherwise we could end being > > > a Neo-Advaitin who philosophize that nothing needs to be done. > > > > > * * * Yes, although I would perhaps say great *attention* or *clarity* or > > *devotion* or *practice* rather than great effort, as the word *effort* is > > so easily misconstrued into an egoic striving, which actually takes us > > further from the goal, if that is possible... And even that hypothetical > > Neo-Advaitin if he has any integrity or self-awareness will realize that he > > has *not* actually surrendered via his merely intellectual realization, as > > his judgments and sufferings and demonizations will continue to plague him, > > if he has not completed the Great Work into utter resistance-free > > effortlessness :-) > > >
