Exactly, Richard!... ... A problem can occur with: "Bondage occurs when the Purusha does not have discriminate knowledge and so gets misled as to it's own identity - thus MMY says Purusha is overshadowed by physical events and individuals erroneously identify with the body and the physical world." ... ...in that given the truth of the above, various people go on to assemble a horde of non-sequiturs in regard to actions. The discrimination applies to the false identification involving Purusha/Prakriti; and has nothing to do with making "ordinary" decisions. (such as the ridiculous notion that E'd people are incapable of making "mistakes"), or - such persons can only perform "life-supporting" actions. ... Such assumptions would indeed be mistaken, imo. The burden of proof is on the claimants (logic, evidence,...). PS: But in regard to "the truth"...I give Scriptural Authority about zero weight.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex" <willytex@...> wrote: > > > > TurquoiseB: > > The "three gunas" idea, expressed in pseudocode... > > > Turq got all mixed up, again. > > In Hindu dualism, the Prakriti is considered to > be the first cause of everything, except the > Purusha, which is considered to be uncaused. > > Prakriti accounts for everything in the physical > world. All physical events are considered to be > manifestations of the evolution of Prakriti. All > physical bodies are controlled by karma, cause > and effect. > > Purusha on the other hand, is considered to be > the 'spiritual' realm, that is, pure intelligence > and pure consciousness. > > Purusha is free and not fettered by karma. The > spirit is liberated when the discriminate > knowledge of the difference between conscious > Purusha and unconscious Prakriti is realized. > > Bondage occurs when the Purusha does not have > discriminate knowledge and so gets misled as to > it's own identity - thus MMY says Purusha is > overshadowed by physical events and individuals > erroneously identify with the body and the > physical world. > > So, it sounds like Turq didn't read the Gita, > let alone MMY's commentary on it! Go figure. > > > and no one, > > including Maharishi is the "doer" of any of > > these actions, merely puppets carrying them out.) > > THEN > > B (Maharishi might have been consciously aware > > that each of his actions was the "doing" of the > > three gunas, and thus a willing participant in > > those actions.) > > OR > > C (Maharishi might have been completely unaware > > of the "true," inner, three gunas-directed nature > > of his own actions, but did what he was "supposed > > to do" anyway, because he was so enlightened and > > all.) > > THEREFORE > > Z (No harm, no foul either way. Maharishi always > > "did the right thing" because he had no choice; > > the three gunas "really" did everything. He's off > > the hook for anything we perceive as "incorrect" > > behavior because that's merely our limited per- > > ception of "his" actions, which weren't "really" > > his at all but the actions of the three gunas.) > > > > BZZZZZT. DOES NOT COMPILE, BECAUSE > > A IS NOT A VALID VARIABLE. IT HAS NOT > > BEEN DECLARED AS ABSOLUTE. > > > > What Judy's argument boils down to is an appeal to those > > who believe that A is not only true, but Truth. It is neither. > > It is a theory, thought up in the Dark Ages of Vedic thought > > to "explain" How The Universe Works. > > > > Judy clearly believes that A is true. Thus it never occurred > > to her that the rest of her argument falls apart if it *isn't* > > true. If it *isn't* true, and Maharishi had free will, then > > both B and C become irrelevancies, and Z as well. > > > > Her argument was "pitched" at people she expected to never > > question whether A was true. It was an attempt to "play off > > of" the shared assumption that A is true, and force a conclu- > > sion that whatever Maharishi's actions -- or our perceptions > > of them -- they were not his responsibility because neither he > > nor we have any responsibility for *any* of our actions. They > > are not "our" actions at all; they're the actions of the three > > gunas. > > > > Bzzzzzzzt. > > > > Not everyone believes this. I, for one, do not >
