--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote:
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> 
> On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:30 PM, sparaig wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:13 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
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> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> When I learned mantra-yoga from others after TM, they taught that 
> >>> ajapa-japa: effortless constant "non-repetition" mantra repetition 24/7 
> >>> was the goal of mantra yoga. Really a fine, constant stream of 
> >>> mantra-as-awareness where it is never lost, never forgotten.
> >>> 
> >>> In other words; no transcendence.
> >>> Thought so.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Actually full transcendence, not stuck in a laya (TM) and merely 
> >> transcending part of the mind. TM would be kind of an entry level practice 
> >> prior to mastery of ajapa-japa. It's simply a level of practice not taught 
> >> in the TM Org.
> >> 
> > 
> > You keep on insisting that TM doesn't get you "there," and yet, my 
> > observation is that TM is open-ended. The only limits are the ones that YOU 
> > insist on imposing...
> > 
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> It's really not my limitation, it's the fact that mental methods only cover 
> the mental aspects of a person, and the mental plane is only one part of us. 
> A good teacher explains this about mantra from the get-go.
> 
> Actually it looks like Mahesh agreed with me. See Blue's comment...
>
I missed his comment, sorry.

Lawson

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