--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > On Mar 1, 2011, at 6:41 AM, blusc0ut wrote: > > > Since we are having this discussion here about splitting the mind, > > and the topic of Gurdjieff came up, as an example of practises > > *not* to do in TM theory/dogma, I think it's worth having a second > > look on it, what it actually means from a proponent of Gurdjeffs > > teaching. It is easy to misinterpret a teaching on the basis of > > half-knowledge and hear say. So I found the following video, > > explaining double attention, and, you know what, it actually makes > > sense. Our awareness is naturally able do perceive many things at a > > time, once we are in the witness mode. But once we concentrate on > > something, it tends to occupy are mind more or less exclusively, we > > get identified and are not in-the-flow. See the video and you will > > see that it is something we actually do all the time. > > > From the POV of Mahasandhi (Dzogchen), choosing "silence" over > movement (of thoughts) is what creates the false division. When one's > established in the nondual state of presence (vidya or rigpa), > streams of thoughts can be meditation as well. Therefore, from the > POV of the Natural State, one could say it's dualistic meditational > practices that divide the mind, not it's own natural tendency: > > > "When we practice habitually in this way for a long time, the mere > arising of thoughts becomes the meditation itself. It makes no > difference > whether thoughts arise or do not arise. The boundaries between > the calm state and the movement of thoughts collapses completely. > The movement of thoughts is now seen directly as indescribable light, > the manifestation of the clear luminosity of the Base which is the > Primordial State. These movements bring no harm or disturbance to > the profound calm at the center. Rather than movement occurring as > discursive thoughts that are inherently limited and restrictive, it > occurs > as a direct and immediate knowledge or gnosis (ye-shes) that is > everywhere directly penetrating (zang-thal). Thoughts spontaneously > manifest as this directly penetrating knowledge (ye-shes zang-thal) > without any intervening process of transforming impure karmic vision > into pure vision, as is the case with the Tantra system of practice. > Nevertheless, to the outside observer, the mind of the Siddha > may look deceptively like an ordinary mind because very mundane > thoughts continue to arise; but all is not sweetness and light here. > The Yogin continues to lust, hunger, and defecate as long as he is in a > physical body, the product of past karma. Even though the morning > sun strikes the glacier, the ice does not melt immediately; similarly, > all the qualities of enlightenment do not immediately manifest, even > though the mind has realized enlightenment. But whereas the ordinary > individual is forever trying to create or suppress thoughts (dgag > sgrub) and so continues to accumulate the energy of the samskaras > (unconscious impulses), the Yogin realizes the liberation of these same > thoughts precisely at the moment when they arise." > > from "The Arising of Thoughts Becomes the Meditation" > in: > The Golden Letters > The Three Statements of Garab Dorje, > the first teacher of Dzogchen, > together with a commentary by > Dza Patrul Rinpoche > entitled "The Special Teaching of the > Wise and Glorious King"
This is truely amazing, Vaj, really great! Thanks for sharing it. I once had an experience after reading 'Mahamudra' of the 3rd Karmapa. Somebody told me I should read something Buddhist, so I went to the library and picked up this small pamphled. While reading my thoughts were pushed out, and I felt a stream of intuition coming through the top of my head. When I went home, the experience continued, I went to the kitchen to eat something, but I just stood there and stared, whatching this process inside of me. I then decided to go to my room and meditate, but I couldn't even get into meditation pose or start a mantra, I would have obstructed the process. This went on for at least two hours.
