Every time you try to leave, they pull you back in!! --- On Tue, 3/8/11, jpgillam <jpgil...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: jpgillam <jpgil...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is Enlightenment Personal? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 11:10 AM > I skim over 95 percent of Fairfield > Life content, but I > always pause to read Peter's explanations of why there's > no self in cosmic consciousness, despite having read > many of them in the past. Funny how I'm always willing > to read another one. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter <drpetersutphen@...> wrote: > > > > You keep on making this conceptual argument which does > make sense from a waking state context. But if you have > clear CC experiences it becomes quite clear there is no > individuality as a private center of consciousness. This is > only a neo-advaita trap when people try to argue there is no > self in waking state. Of course there is a self in waking > state. There just isn't one in CC. So what happens to this > relative self in CC? The answer is nothing. It becomes clear > that the sense of relative self was a delusion. This is why > the rope and snake metaphor is so powerful. You could argue > that the snake exists as a concept or belief. But this would > be like saying from waking state that your dream of a tiger > was real. Only in the dream is the tiger real. Once you > shift into waking state, the tiger is no longer real in this > new context. The same thing happens to the sense of > individuality in CC. It's not there. There's only > consciousness which has no relative > > measure. > > > > Non-localization is not a conceptual argument that can > be understood in waking state. It sounds absurd, of course. > Imagine trying to tell your dream ego that there is no tiger > as it experiences the tiger chasing it! But it is a > conceptual tool that helps you in CC. > > > > By the way, I completely agree with you that > neo-advaita is nonsense, but not for the same reasons you > argue. Neo-advaita is nonsense because it offers no tools to > facilitate realization and it takes concepts that make > plenty of sense in Realization, but make no sense in waking > state. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
