Thank you Curtisji, you are quite right on most of the comments except the diffused anger part. Insincerity is contagious, I do take part in some serious sincere conversations from time to time but when I see fascination with spiritual toys such as TM, non-duality, CC or fascination with spiritual containers like Maharishi, SSRS I start introducing mine in the mix as well, hence the advent of Original Goon Mantra, Intellectile Dysfunction Disorder and the like. It's lot of fun playing with Toys.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > The question I have Ravi is can you drop the shtick, take your eyes off the > teleprompter, and communicate in a genuine way? Lots of bluff and > bluster,lots of posturing and diffused anger, but very little sincerity in > your posts. You are running a Don Quixote (who else knew it was spelled like > that?!) number on a bunch of strangers that is thin on real communication. I > suspect you could be an interesting contributor if you were willing to let go > of the routine, which by now has grown a bit tired. > > Your choice. > > Oh yeah, and hijacking my post for an opportunity to use Vaj as your > emotional punching bag is lame. > > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote: > > > > > > "You also have shades of Intellectile Dsyfunction disorder..." > > > > > > You may win me over yet Ravi, that was excellent. > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Curtisji, this may be first time you have heard of this > > disorder which has been known to plague millions of seekers worldwide > > and has devastated vast sections of FFL netizens and threatening to wipe > > out the FFL cyberhood. > > Intellectile dsyfunction disorder is the inability to shake off the > > erection caused by fascination to intellectual discussions. You would > > think naturally that if you indulge in a few times you can get rid of > > the erection but no, the more you indulge the more worse it gets we are > > desperately in need of an anti-Viagra for this - my research has shown > > vaairagyaa(dispassion) helps. The pimp(ego) needs to know that there is > > a possibility of breaking the co-dependence on the whore(intellect) and > > life outside the hood(small self). > > I know you are always high(hypnotized) on crack(TM) and my research does > > show that mantra is one of the most potent drugs, but this should be no > > reason for your apathy especially when a severe outbreak causes one of > > the person you admire - Vaj, the one trick parrot who has to indulge in > > it every day and which has led him to compile his Parama Vakra > > Gita(mighty twisted scripture). > > This causes others on this list to suffer because they get captivated by > > his words rather than spend time on the 3 V's - vaairaagya, viveka and > > vichaara so they may be get high on crack(TM) like you. Sure Satsang is > > one of the 3 S's needed for spirituality - Satsang(company of the sie, > > spiritual discussions), Seva(selfless service) and Sadhana(spiritual > > practices) but my research has shown that to get high on crack(mantra) > > the intellect needs to have a use by date in spiritual matters. > > Love - Ravi Yogi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Curtisji, > > > > > > > > No, no - Barry's doing well. He has to criticize me, this is the > > proper application of the Original Goon Mantra - shift the focus from > > dead gurus and scriptures to jivanmuktas. I have to say I'm surprised at > > the good results myself. He has stopped posting his posts on comparing > > TMO/MMY with various evils and has now shifted to this yogi. Let us all > > support him as he recovers from PTMSD(Post TM stress disorder)!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Curtis - I know you have problems yourself and you need help as > > well. But I have been busy since I'm not a full time therapist. Rest > > assured I'm working on something for you. > > > > > > > > You are free to use Original Goon Mantra in the interim but I can't > > guarantee results yet, it may work well if you are sincere but I'm not > > sure yet and I will get back to you. > > > > > > > > I consider you as the crack addict of this FFL hood since you think > > TM is hypnosis yet you still continue using it. You also have shades of > > Intellectile Dsyfunction disorder whereas the one trick parrot is mostly > > IDS. > > > > > > > > So there are several factors to be considered. Please be patient > > while I get back to you. > > > > > > > > Love - Dr. Ravi Yogi > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ravi. Dead on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does anybody here think this all is not the *perfect* > > > > > > description of Barry? > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the light of many discussions here of Narcissistic > > Personality > > > > > > > Disorder, and how it relates to claims of enlightenment, > > "higher" states > > > > > > > of consciousness, and just the everyday "I'm more > > evolved/intelligent > > > > > > > than all those REEEALLY REEEALLY STOOPID people around me," > > here's an > > > > > > > intelligent article that explores some of the same territory I > > have been > > > > > > > exploring lately. Are the narcissists aware of their > > narcissistic > > > > > > > behavior? Well, it turns out that they probably are. So what > > does that > > > > > > > say about the values of someone who is addicted to "sucking > > attention," > > > > > > > who *knows* that they are addicted to sucking attention, but > > who does it > > > > > > > anyway? The "disconnect" seems to be not in how they see > > themselves or > > > > > > > in how others see them, but in how they *perceive* themselves > > as being > > > > > > > seen by others and what they feel the value of that is; > > sucking > > > > > > > attention is more important to them than sucking favorable > > attention. > > > > > > > I've highlighted some passages I found interesting below. > > > > > > > Do Narcissists Know They Are Narcissists?by Scott Barry > > Kaufmann, Ph.D. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Think of your friendly neighborhood narcissist: > > status-seeking, > > > > > > > grandiose, loud-mouthed, brash and flamboyant. Have you ever > > noticed how > > > > > > > he brags all the time, not only about his astronomical I.Q. > > and bulging > > > > > > > pectoral muscles, but also about the fact that he is > > narcissistic? It's > > > > > > > as if he is proud of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lots of psychologists have theorized that a lack of > > self-awareness is a > > > > > > > hallmark trait of narcissists. My personal experience with > > narcissists > > > > > > > does not seem to support this. It seems to me as though they > > are not > > > > > > > only aware of who they are, but also embrace it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luckily, I don't have to rely on personal anecdotes. To get to > > the > > > > > > > bottom of this age-old mystery, Erika Carlson > > > > > > > <http://www.self-other.com/ErikaCarlson.html> and her > > colleagues at > > > > > > > Washington University in St. Louis conducted three very > > well-done > > > > > > > studies to see whether narcissists have insight into their > > personality > > > > > > > and their reputation. The results will soon be published in > > the > > > > > > > prestigious Journal of Personality and Social Psychology > > > > > > > <http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/psp/> . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The researchers administered a number of different measures of > > > > > > > narcissism to college students and looked at how high-scorers > > are seen > > > > > > > by others, how they see themselves *and how they believe they > > are seen > > > > > > > by others*. They looked across social contexts and > > interviewed new > > > > > > > acquaintances as well as friends and family. There results > > across the > > > > > > > three studies are strikingly consistent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsurprisingly, they found that narcissists think they are hot > > stuff. > > > > > > > Those scoring high in narcissism tended to rate themselves as > > more > > > > > > > intelligent, physically attractive, likeable and funny than > > others. > > > > > > > Interestingly, they also rated themselves as having higher > > levels of > > > > > > > negative aspects of narcissism, such as being power-oriented, > > impulsive, > > > > > > > arrogant and prone to exaggerate their abilities! Therefore, > > > > > > > *narcissists are aware they are narcissists*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There was also a strong positive correlation between > > narcissism and > > > > > > > having a reputation for narcissism: narcissists were > > definitely > > > > > > > perceived as narcissists. While other people didn't think the > > > > > > > narcissists were nearly as hot as the narcissists thought they > > were, the > > > > > > > narcissists were well aware of their reputation. When asked > > how others > > > > > > > perceive them on the positive traits, their results were > > closer to how > > > > > > > they were actually perceived than their own self-perceptions > > of the very > > > > > > > same traits. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These results suggest that narcissists do indeed have > > self-awareness of > > > > > > > themselves and know their reputation. *This begs the question: > > how can > > > > > > > narcissists maintain their inflated self-image even though > > they know > > > > > > > full well how they are perceived by others?* The researchers > > suggest a > > > > > > > few intriguing possibilities. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Perhaps narcissists assume that others are just failing to > > realize how > > > > > > > bitchin' they really are*. They may think that people are > > just too dim > > > > > > > to recognize their brilliance. Another possibility is that > > narcissists > > > > > > > may think critics are just envious of them. Narcissists may > > take > > > > > > > negative feedback and think to themselves, "Those haters are > > just > > > > > > > jealous!" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This may explain why narcissists behave in arrogant ways. > > *Instead of > > > > > > > compensating for some deep-seated insecurity > > > > > > > <http://pss.sagepub.com/content/18/3/227.extract> , bragging > > may be > > > > > > > their way of demanding the recognition they truly believe > > they deserve. > > > > > > > Narcissists score up the wazoo in entitlement*. As the > > researchers > > > > > > > note, this idea is consistent with self-verification theory > > > > > > > > > <http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/Faculty/Swann/docu/north%20and%\ > > \ > > > > > > > 20swann%202009.pdf> : "Narcissists believe that they are > > exceptional > > > > > > > people and may behave in arrogant ways because they are > > attempting to > > > > > > > bridge the gap between their self perceptions and their > > > > > > > meta-perceptions." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The researchers also suggest it's possible that narcissists > > maintain > > > > > > > their self-image by misconstruing the meaning of narcissism. > > When told > > > > > > > they are arrogant, instead of thinking they are "someone who > > is > > > > > > > confident without merit," they may take it as a compliment, > > thinking to > > > > > > > themselves, "Well, duh I'm arrogant, if by that you mean > > 'deservedly > > > > > > > confident!'" As the researchers note, "Narcissists seem to > > choose honest > > > > > > > arrogance when describing themselves and their reputation." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The results of this study as well as prior studies > > > > > > > > > <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V9F-45RDM71-\ > > \ > > > > > > > > > 8D&_user=10&_coverDate=07%2F31%2F1992&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=gateway&_o\ > > \ > > > > > > > > > rigin=gateway&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_searchStrId=1693740600&_rerunO\ > > \ > > > > > > > > > rigin=scholar.google&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=1\ > > \ > > > > > > > 0&md5=1ef77a2aaa0409bfdb40f463e31a4c9a&searchtype=a> suggest > > that > > > > > > > narcissists do care more about being perceived as superior on > > agentic > > > > > > > traits (e.g., industriousness, assertiveness, dominance) > > compared to > > > > > > > communal traits (e.g., agreeableness and honesty). > > *Narcissists don't > > > > > > > seem to care whether they are perceived as good people; they'd > > rather be > > > > > > > admired than liked > > <http://www.columbia.edu/%7Eda358/npi16/raskin.pdf> . > > > > > > > So perhaps the narcissists in their study construed supposedly > > negative > > > > > > > aspects of narcissism (e.g., arrogance) as desirable*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Of course, it's also possible that narcissists are fully > > aware of the > > > > > > > meaning of narcissism and the negative impact they have on > > others, but > > > > > > > just don't care as long as it doesn't get in the way of their > > goals*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The researchers also found that new acquaintances viewed > > narcissists > > > > > > > more positively than well acquainted others. Those who just > > met the > > > > > > > narcissists did tend to have a favorable impression of the > > narcissists, > > > > > > > whereas those who knew the narcissists much longer tended to > > have a much > > > > > > > more negative impression of the narcissists. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, the narcissists in their sample were fully aware of > > this! *The > > > > > > > results suggest that narcissists understand that they make > > positive > > > > > > > first impressions that deteriorate over time*. [Think of this > > in terms > > > > > > > of narcissistic spiritual teachers such as MMY. -Turq] These > > results are > > > > > > > consistent with prior research that has shown that narcissists > > have > > > > > > > trouble forming long-term relationships > > > > > > > > > <http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/%7Efinkel/documents/Campbelletal_2002\ > > \ > > > > > > > _001.pdf> . Narcissists tend to think they are "too good" for > > most > > > > > > > people and are always seeking "better" relationship > > alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The results are also consistent with research showing that > > narcissists > > > > > > > are masters at first impressions > > > > > > > > > <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/201001/why-are-narc\ > > \ > > > > > > > issists-initially-so-popular> . As researchers have > > suggested, the > > > > > > > narcissist's success at creating initial attraction may make > > short-term > > > > > > > contexts more rewarding for them than longer-term contexts: > > "It is > > > > > > > possible that narcissists discontinue relationships early on > > because > > > > > > > they cannot bridge the gap between their positive > > self-perceptions and > > > > > > > relatively negative meta-perceptions. > > > > > > > > > <http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/chatman/papers/13_KnowingYourPlace.pdf\ > > \ > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Practical Implications > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *It's well known that narcissists rarely change, mostly > > because they > > > > > > > don't want to change. They love their lifestyle. Researchers > > trying to > > > > > > > reform narcissists have noted that a major impediment is their > > lack of > > > > > > > self-awareness*. They have speculated that if narcissists > > received true > > > > > > > feedback, they would change. The study by Carlson and > > colleagues > > > > > > > suggests that this is not the case. Narcissists are fully > > aware that > > > > > > > they are narcissistic and have a narcissistic reputation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Instead, the researchers suggest that a better intervention > > would be to > > > > > > > "emphasize the interpersonal and intrapsychic costs of being > > seen as > > > > > > > narcissistic by others." *Narcissists are unlikely to change > > unless they > > > > > > > think changing will benefit the things they desire, such as > > status and > > > > > > > power*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are You a Narcissist? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Many of you are probably reading this and wondering whether > > you are a > > > > > > > narcissist. An implication of the results I just reviewed is > > that if > > > > > > > you are a narcissist, you probably already know it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reality, all of us are at least a little bit narcissistic. > > In the > > > > > > > studies just reviewed, the researchers administered a > > narcissistic > > > > > > > questionnaire to college students. Even though they found that > > the > > > > > > > students scored all across the spectrum, it's not as if there > > was anyone > > > > > > > who was completely non-narcissistic. All of us, throughout our > > day, ebb > > > > > > > and flow in and out of the narcissistic mindset. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
