Nice reply Rav. I am a little short on time, but wanted to make brief comment. I think you are right in many ways. And I think you have hi-lighted a real distinction between what Curits believes in terms of not buying into any spiritual teaching, or God based system of belief (sorry if I am mispreprsenting you here Curtis), and others who have not come to that conclusion.
I look at various spiritual teachers, and conclude that they do operate in a different mode, and have indeed accessed different levels of awareness. And I say mostly from my own experiences. And I don't follow a teacher per se. But I have been influenced by MMY, and more particularly the Indian, or easter system of belief. I am not sure if those in the "unbelievers" camp disregard all that is offered along those lines, but I have found these teachings to be releveant to my own experience in many ways. And I not willing to chalk it up to the power of suggestion. I have also observed some real inconsistencies in the "unbeliever" outlook especially as it pertains to karma. In order to explain karma and it's long term ramifications I see the "unbeliever" introduce their own supernatural tenants. More later if anyone is interested. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@...> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > Thanks for responding. I don't see TM in a spiritual context. It is > a pleasant way to shift my state that I find useful in small doses. I > don't have any spiritual aspirations at all in any area of my life. > Life itself is the miracle I was seeking in my spiritual seeker past. > > > Sure spiritual practices are never the means to an end - if you are open > and sensitive life itself is the teacher. Enlightenment happens in the > ultimate relaxation that comes from an immense faith and trust in the > existence. > I find it very disconcerting when people here continuously rail against > techniques and Gurus. The Gurus create different techniques and give it > fancy names not because they think they are the greatest but because it > helps the seeker. That was indeed what I was alluding to with my > sarcastic humor on creating new mantras and disorders. The mind of the > seeker is restless, it makes enlightenment into a goal, an achievement > and the Guru in order to create a bond gives these techniques or "toys" > as I call it to keep the seeker engaged till he learns the art of utter > relaxation. The Guru hopes the love of the seeker will eventually lead > him to it. So the technique is just a tool until the seeker learns this > art. Most people seem to miss this point and rail against techniques. > Same thing when a Guru might declare himself to be the most special or > an avatar not because he is narcisstic, senile or whatever psychological > disorder people on this list seem to be so obsessed in discussing, but > because he thinks it would be helpful to create that love and trust in > the seeker. So the techniques or the Gurus are not what leads to > enlightenment but rather this love, trust and faith in oneself. There > are numerous examples in Indian scriptures which point to this where > people get enlightened following false techniques or Gurus. > > > > > In the little I know of your story from posting here you haven't had > the easiest time this year. We all get out of FFL what we put in right? > Take care. > > > > I'm having a great time this year it must be last year is what you were > referring to, even then I was doing great - it was people around me who > thought I was mad not without reason mind you. People naturally > misunderstood my delirious fever and behavior not realizing I was just > transitioning to perfect health. >
