--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <drpetersutphen@...> wrote: > > This is why the argument that has been postulated here that enlightenment is > simply a deluded state of conceptual self-fulfillment is absurd.
**Kind of the opposite, since the container and what is in it keep expanding out of anyone's "control", if there was such a thing to begin with. Going from waking state to CC is a complete shattering of all concepts regarding enlightenment. **Ka-Boom. What you think CC will be in waking state has very little to do with the actual "experience" of it. But it is still good to have these concepts because once you are realized, you can really understand them for the first time. **God loves irony! I get the feeling that if you tried to call Him on this one, He'd be like, "ohhhh, you thought all of this was to help explain how to get *here*...lol, no, no, no...but at least you get it now, right?" 'Witnessing", "Unboundedness" "non-doing"; these terms meant one thing in waking state and they mean something completely different in realization. Now they actually "point" towards something, as it were and help the mind cope. **I wish after all this, at least everyone who is realized got a speedboat or something, y'know? After all the talk about the hut and the palace, cosmic this, galactic that, you'd think at least maybe a used corvette? Coach tickets to Vegas? Free Slurpee??? > > --- On Mon, 5/2/11, whynotnow7 <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > > From: whynotnow7 <whynotnow7@...> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: An Example of Cosmic Consciousness > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Monday, May 2, 2011, 6:45 PM > > Yeah, logically there has to be > > conditioning prior to permanent awakening. But that > > isn't necessarily the same thing as recognizing it as such, > > as it happens. I recall despite the underlying conditioning > > towards support of awakening (which was creating a huge > > cognitive dissonance in the background, and more and more in > > the foreground), I had built quite a secure structure I > > thought, on which to hang my beliefs and judge everyone and > > everything accordingly. > > > > You can imagine how flimsy a structure that was. So > > although the conditioning was there, I also was unable to > > see reality or more accurately experience it, until this > > very distracting structure crumbled. And it did, very > > quickly. And that is why I experienced such a drastic > > transition, even though as you say, the foundation had to > > already be there to support it. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote: > > > > > > On 05/02/2011 12:36 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "wayback71"<wayback71@> wrote: > > > >> Rick > > > >> This is one of the most heartfelt, direct and > > moving accounts. > > > >> Thank you. > > > > I agree that this is a nicely done, low-key rap, > > and I > > > > commend whoever wrote it for that. I might have > > some > > > > writerly quibbles about some of the language, > > like > > > > "CC arrived" and "had come," because my similar > > exper- > > > > iences, although more fleeting, had no sense > > whatsoever > > > > of there being anything new, anything that had > > "arrived" > > > > or "come." It was more like finally noticing what > > had > > > > always already been present, every minute of my > > life. > > > > > > > > What I'd be interested in, if this person ever > > feels > > > > like writing it up, is whether he/she can > > pinpoint any > > > > ways in which this subjective realization has > > been of > > > > benefit to anyone else. That's the "missing > > component" > > > > of pretty much all of the raps about > > enlightenment I > > > > run across. It's almost as if the process of > > "self > > > > realization" can be described more accurately as > > > > "selfish realization" in most of them. All that > > seems > > > > to "matter" is the person's subjective sense of > > their > > > > own subjective state of consciousness. We never > > hear of > > > > ways in which this subjective state proves itself > > of > > > > value to anyone else in the objective world. I'd > > like > > > > to hear more about that. > > > > > > > > > > Logically CC should not be a binary experience. > > IOW, a switch goes on > > > and you're there. It would be gradual. For > > instance someone noticing, > > > as they did years ago, that they seemed to no longer > > come "out" of > > > meditation and that the experience of the > > transcendence was there along > > > in activity. It might be a mild experience of it > > but it *is* there. > > > And more particularly over time should grow. So > > some of these things > > > are "flash" experiences or a spike in the experience > > but I wouldn't say > > > they "popped into CC". They were already there. > > > > > > TM'ers seem to be in this mode that only a few achieve > > enlightenment but > > > I found in India people expected folks practicing > > sadhana to get there > > > and it was not that uncommon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
