--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > 1.> Whatever begins to exist has a cause. > > > > > > > > Do you agree with this premise or not? > > > > > > I'm going back to play "catch up" after traveling > > > for the last couple of days, but I'll answer. The > > > first premise has the same problem as the second. > > > The problem is not with the word "cause" but with > > > the phrase "begins to exist." > > > > > > That presupposes the condition that something came > > > into existence which had not existed before. > > > > > > I have had many experiences in my life that cannot > > > be described by this phrase. I have seen things > > > that as far as I can tell were always present. Me > > > noticing them did not cause them to "come into > > > existence." Nor did anything "cause" them to > > > happen. Therefore my own experience does not lead > > > me to believe that this is a true statement. > > > > Can you give us a specific example that presents your > > case and does not follow the statement under the first > > premise? > > I'm out in the Anza-Borrego desert, at night, > in a certain canyon I know of. Sometimes, when > I go there, there is a certain rock face in the > side of a mountain that is just a rock face in > the side of a mountain.
Something like this? http://kuvat2.huuto.net/c/43/689924f37eb06753ff78d1d491494-orig.jpg
