--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" <raviyogi@...> wrote:
> Thanks for your comments Curtis - I don't necessarily agree with all of> your > statements but I appreciate you taking the time to articulate your feelings > and thoughts.> Much appreciated Ravi. It is a civilized man who knows how to agree to disagree! Enjoy your day. > feelings and thoughts. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote: > > > Thanks for the clarification. And IMO the "Not Knowing", "Not > believing" > > > is also another kind of belief even though you might not state is as > > > such. And to me this "Not knowing" belief system is like a kitty > playing > > > with a ball of yarn, a circular logic that leads nowhere, where one > is > > > stuck in the intellect forever and hence my remark. > > > > I'm not sure I "stuck in the intellect" anymore than you are Ravi. It > is one of our channels of cognition. In my artistic life I probably > live more on the side of emotion. But on a philosophical board > obviously it will be my mind that is most up front. > > > > > > > That spirituality is about belief is also a wrong concept, belief > may be> the starting point of spirituality, > > > > I would agree that it is not only about belief. But they are there. > Even with mystical experience we still need to evaluate what they mean. > You are not correct to assume that I have not had what is called > "spiritual experience". I have. But I think of them with different > meaning than you seem to. > > > > > > < the end is just a innocent pristine > > > trust, just like a child does in his parents. You can't say child > > > believes in his parents, he just loves and trusts. They may love him > or > > > punish him, they may buy him candy or not, but he just trusts, > accepts > > > and adapts, they may push him away but he just clings on, a question > of > > > any other alternative doesn't even arise. > > > > I'm not sure what the object is of your trust. But to ride your > analogy a bit further, the relationship I have with my Dad is so much > richer since I grew up, got off the innocence wagon of childhood, and > relate to him as a flawed human just like me. Our relationship has been > vastly improved since I stopped being innocent at the beginning of one > of his Fox News rants and cut him off with a "Dad we both know this is > not going to go anywhere pleasant. Can we get back to talking about > fly-fishing?" > > > > > I don't take spiritual statements literally, these are beautiful > > > metaphors, > > > > Agreed. > > > > in fact I was thinking of the 72 virgins statement just a few > > > days back. The amount of bliss I feel out of that oneness with the > > > existence is akin to having sex with 72 virgins so that statement to > > > describe heaven seems so apt. Since its such a highly subjective > hard to > > > describe state, I feel at home describing that bliss in terms of > > > metaphors such as a sexual orgasm, a drunk or a forlorn lover. > > > "Being in eternity" then makes total sense to me, only when applied > to > > > the inner world and has no significance to the outer at all. > > > > You must be a fan of Rumi poems too. I can dig it. Personally I > think the subjective bliss of spiritual experience is overrated. But I > still enjoy the experience so I can relate. > > > > The outer > > > continues to display its amazingly dazzling dizzying array of > changes, > > > in a perfect beautiful contrast to the inner eternity.> > > > > I know it feels like eternity, or more accurately the poetry of that > word seems to feel right when discussing it. But I'm pretty sure that > it will end when the brain stops. Try this. Go to a Doctor and have him > put you under with Propofol. Have someone in the room read from some > book they select from random. If you can come out and tell us what book > it was you may have the beginnings of a case. > > > > > > Like they say the > > > only thing that doesn't change is change itself.> > > > > If that is what you mean by eternity then I am on board. > > > > And I react when I see > > > people turning into fanatics by taking statements literally, both > pro > > > such as the religious extremists and con, like posters here at FFL. > > > > I'm not sure we are anymore fanatical than you are Ravi. You and I > are both enthusiastic advocates of our opinions. That is the part of > you I can relate to best. > > > Thanks for your comments Curtis - I don't necessarily agree with all of > your statements but I appreciate you taking the time to articulate your > feelings and thoughts. >
