As I understand it Richard Nelson's sources were first hand sources who acutally were in a position to know some of the details which were alleged to have taken place. Richard says he spoke directly with the lawyer who handled SBS's will, and traveled to some of various places at issue and spoke with people who were contempories of SBS, and M. Vaj's sources seem 2 or 3 steps removed from the events they are commenting on, and are never identified in any detail. Usually they are "a student of so and so"
And then there is what appears to be the total misrepresenation of the the Ayur Ved relationship and details with Dr. Raju, and the other guy (I don't have time to go back and look up the exact name) I mean there is first hand evidence even from people on this forum (whynot for one I believe) that contradicts many of the things Vaj said in this regard. Vaj has been asked to back up some of his assertaions, and as of now, he seems to have declined that offer. All he said was, he "heard this directly from a student of Dr.___" --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > Pile on? Vaj has simply been exposed as a liar. Not sure > > what standard you look for in evaluating statements. But > > Vaj made a series of assertions and all of them turned > > out to be false. > > Not true. What actually happened is that several > people have *declared* them false. Those people > have IMO exactly the same level of credibility as > Vaj -- namely none. No one has presented verifiable > facts yet. > > Did you even *notice* that feste did *exactly* > what he was accusing Vaj of? He just slung insults, > and presented not even a single supposed fact. > > > When asked to back up these assertions, the best he could > > come up with, was "he heard it from someone" > > Yup. The people piling on didn't even go that far. They > just claimed things *as if they were facts*, but without > anything that could enable anyone to determine whether > they were really facts or not. > > In other words, on one level what we seem to have here > is a pissing contest, in which both sides are saying, > "What I've heard is better than what you've heard." I > call it total bullshit, on all sides. > > As for the "piling on" thang that Sal brings up, it *would* > have been possible for Richard Nelson or others to just post > a few verifiable facts (y'know...stuff including dates and > contact information and where one could go to verify their > claims) and leave it at that. They did not. What they did > was to do *exactly* the same thing that Vaj did -- make a > bunch of unverifiable claims -- and then proceed to call > him names. > > So what it looks like from my side is 1) a pissing contest > in which no one is presenting any facts, only hearsay, and > 2) a situation in which the supposed TM supporters got their > attachment buttons pushed so big-time that they've gone bat- > shit crazy trying to call Vaj names and claim he has no > credibility. > > Well...surprise. They don't have any, either. > > Everybody's just making claims. One side is also going bat- > shit crazy trying to hurl insults. Since no one in this > pissing contest has the least bit of credibility, I'm > going to go with the "side" hurling the least number of > personal insults as the "winner." And as always, that's > *not* the "TM supporters." > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> > > wrote: > > > > > > A pile-on just wouldn't be the same without > > > a drive-by from feste. > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > On May 25, 2011, at 2:42 PM, feste37 wrote: > > > > > > Vaj reminds me of the wacko political right who will say > > > anything to put their Democratic enemies in a bad light. > > > For example, the claims in the 1990s that Bill Clinton was > > > involved in drug-running and that Vince Foster, the Clinton > > > aide, was murdered. Same thing against Obama. They will > > > say anything at all. Evidence? No need to bother with it. > > > Just get the smear out there and watch it do its work. > > > This kind of stuff says more about the accusers than it > > > does about the accused. You can no more have a rational > > > conversation with Vaj about MMY than you can with Rush > > > Limbaugh and his ilk about Obama. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "richardnelson108" > > richardnelson108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On May 25, 2011, at 1:20 PM, richardnelson108 wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> And yet you assume you know that Maharishi "stole" the formulas > > > >> > > > >> I heard it directly from one of Balraj's students. > > > >> > > > >> I guess one of the problems with the open, innocent hearts of > > healers > > > >> like Balraj is that mountebanks like Mahesh love to use them and > > toss > > > >> them away, like used toys. > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> The same way you "know" that Maharishi poisoned Guru Dev, which I > > > >>> have already pointed out previously is a lie. > > > >> > > > >> Actually I said he was a leading suspect. > > > >> > > > >> It really speaks more to his character; how people saw him. I mean > > if > > > >> he was the sattvic, white silk-clad, benevolent saint some might > > > >> imagine, would he have ever been a suspect at all? > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> Again I ask... why do you have so much hate in your heart that you > > > >>> have to try to hurt MMY's reputation any way you can. > > > >>> > > > >>> I have no problem if you have an opinion about who MMY was and > > what > > > >>> he has done. But why must you constantly make your opinion into > > > >>> supposed "facts"? > > > >>> > > > >>> So one more time... Whats wrong with you? > > > >> > > > >> Being born with a conscience has it drawbacks. > > > >> > > > > Oh Yeah, that's right.. you have such a conscience! You lie, make > > shit up and have the nerve to say you have a conscience! > > > > > > > > And again for the record. MMY was NEVER a prime suspect in the > > supposed poisoning of Guru Dev. As I previously pointed out, I have been > > in Allahabad many times and interviewed the judge who handled Guru > > Dev';s will and many others associated with Shankaracharya ashram. None > > of them knew anything about this supposed poisoning, so how could MMY > > have been a prime suspect? You haven';t been there but speak as if you > > have been STOP MAKING SHIT UP!! > > > > Have you opinion, fine. But again I am wondering, why you must lie > > to prove that your point of view is the correct one? > > > > You must have been really hurt by someone as a child. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > >
