--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > Well I was more into the details than most people for sure and had an > academic setting to explore it all, but this was the goal of the practice we > are talking about. We all devoted such time and resources to accomplishing > this state, but the detailed knowledge about it as was kept as sort of > arcane. There a lot of possibilities to why and perhaps Maharishi not taking > it seriously is not the most likely. > > He might have not really believed anyone would need it. > > At one of the first 6 month courses he declared that they were all in Braham > and had skipped the sequential steps to stop the whining about nobody > thinking they had clear transcendence. This was a weird moment when they > came back to MIU and laid that trip on us. In this point of view people > didn't have clear transcendence, no mantra no thought for long periods > because we were all witnessing our meditations already. > > So all those detailed lectures about unity and Braman were kind of bedtime > stories for us and he just drew the target on what his teachers were > experiencing and declaring eureka! They were happy with their new elevated > status till the sidhis came out and basically proved that they were not in > that state since they couldn't get results on anything other than the > subjective ones that can be achieved with imagination. (Larry Domash claimed > he found a pen with one!) > > So he didn't set up a structure so that people like yourself with a lifetime > of practice could get matched up with someone to lead you through the Brahma > Sutras to stitch up your cloth. Why not? > > I guess some people believe that all those hours of listening to Maharishi > talk about the absolute was our Brahma Sutras. But for a system with a > defined goal the whole thing seems a bit cavalier and haphazard. Doubly so > for a guy who gave us the whole concept of loss and revival of knowledge and > the purity rap. What is so pure about having a bunch of tapes locked up > somewhere discussing things that no one gets to hear while meantime at every > course you have to sit through hours tapes of self congratulatory ceremonies > crowing about how wonderful everything all is. Where's the beef? By now > every sidha should have access to all the Vedic Studies they cared to watch. > > Having seen many of those tapes I have to admit that there is very little > there there, but it would at least give the impression that he took seriously > that you needed all the information about a state of mind you were devoting > years developing. > > I say if you have meditated for 25 years you should be able to hear any tape > at any time. I'll be there is only a tiny group of people who would take > them up on it, and I'll bet you would be one of them > >
I like Trem23's (Lorenzo inmadison)post from a few days ago, pasted below. He appears to speak from experience. Not from tapes or theory from books. (Some years ago 6-8 maybe, if I am remembering the details correctly, Tom Traynor said he realized (or confirmed) Brahman upon reading a short sentence by Trem, "streched upon the surface .." for those that recall it. It was a powerful, sentence / description.) Direct experience is always fresh, usually manifesting in fresh ways of expressing the totality of Existence. Tapes -- perhaps sort of like debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Lorenzo" <inmadison@...> wrote: > > UC is an honest perception of another as self. It could happen like such - - sitting in a room with others - another person walks into the room and the first thought is "That's Me" or "I just walked into the room". . . It is not like "I am unboundedness and this person or thing is unboundedness so we are the same" It is not a comparison, metaphor or intellectual leap, it is a straight forward "that's me" - - it is distinct, clear as a bell, and not subject to doubt or misinterpretation. > > UC is this event happening more and more. > > BC is an altogether different thing. In BC, the distinction between inside and outside is gone - what was inside is now outside and what was outside is now inside - and that distinction is gone. think Hoover dam just gone, just blown to bits, and the water coming to a true equilibrium. there is no more here is me and here is me and here is not me - it's all the same stuff so there's no use for the concept of me because there's nothing to distinguish me from >
